Friday, January 27, 2012
Phillips Stacey Campfield Spreads Deadly Misinformation
Posted by Betsy Phillips on Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:05 AM
As Jonathan Meador pointed out, Stacey Campfield continued on his quest to make Tennessee the laughingstock of the nation on Michelangelo Signorile's radio show. I won't go into his bizarre theories about how just hearing about gayness can turn you gay or how a monkey-fucking pilot gave the world AIDS. You can read up on that stuff at the Huffington Post or at MetroPulse or at Knoxviews.
I do want to focus on this part of the interview where he says, "My understanding is that it is virtually — not completely, but virtually — impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex ... very rarely [transmitted]."
This is absolutely wrong. Believing this can get you killed. Spreading this kind of misinformation and having people believe it will get people sick or dead. It is NOT virtually impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex. In fact, it's very easy.
According to the state of Tennessee's own statistics, there are 3,694 people in the state living with HIV who acquired it through heterosexual transmission. Twenty-one percent of HIV/AIDS cases in Tennessee in general were contracted through heterosexual sex. Among black Tennesseans, 26 percent of HIV/AIDS cases were transmitted through heterosexual sex.
Although men who have sex with men have historically been disproportionately affected by HIV/AIDS, straight people having heterosexual sex make up a sizable portion of the HIV/AIDS community in Tennessee and being straight or only having heterosexual sex is no protection against it. In the United States, heterosexual transmission accounts for how 65 percent of white women and 74 percent of black women acquired the infection.
So what can you do to protect yourself from HIV/AIDS if you are a heterosexual person only having heterosexual sex with another heterosexual person?
It's not that much different from what gay and bisexual people can do. Know your status and the status of your partner(s). Even if you believe you are in a monogamous relationship, you could be married to a state legislator or someone who behaves like one. And believe me, they're not all playing "keep it in your pants" when they're out of sight. If you're embarrassed to ask your own doctor, Planned Parenthood provides testing for both men and women.
You don't have to have sex with anyone you don't feel comfortable having sex with. No one is "owed" sex. So if you are concerned that your partner is not being faithful and not being honest with you about it, even if you're married, you can stop having sex with her or him until you are certain of their status.
Use condoms. Especially if you are concerned your partner is running around. In spite of misinformation that condoms don't stop the spread of HIV, scientific studies have shown that they greatly reduce your chances of being infected. And again, you don't have to have sex with anyone in ways that make you uncomfortable. If you want to use a condom and your partner doesn't, you don't have to have sex with them without using a condom.
Our federal government (which has a very informative website about HIV/AIDS) also recommends limiting your sex partners. One way to do this is to say things so outlandish about gay people and AIDS that they make any right-thinking person recoil at the thought of you, as State Sen. Monkey Fucker has so aptly demonstrated. But I'd not recommend that route.
I also want to reiterate that you can be a virgin on your wedding night, married to a person who loses his or her virginity to you and HIV can still be an issue. If you or your partner was ever raped or molested, you could be at risk. (If you are raped or molested, be sure to see a medical professional who can screen for STIs and give you medicine to prevent you from acquiring HIV.) If you or your partner ever used intravenous drugs, you could be at risk. If you or your partner ever in your whole lives played "I'll give all y'all blowjobs, but I'm staying a virgin until I'm married" or "butt sex doesn't count as sex because my hymen is still intact," you could be at risk.
Get tested. Fuck only people who have been tested and who are happy to use a condom. And for gods' sake, don't get your sex ed from Stacey Campfield.
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All of the above is one of many recurring reasons why Campfield is single and that he doesn't have to worry about sex ed for himself anyway.
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In Africa, where, what? 1 million? people have died of AIDS, virtually — not completely, but virtually — all of the victims contracted the disease through heterosexual sex.
Next question: Can we give Stacey to the Taliban?
Well, Betsy, using your figures and a little basic math, and knowing that gays account for about half the AIDS cases, we have about nine thousand infected homosexuals in the state. That's a lot and nearly all of them using tax dollars to stay alive. But typically the homosexual community and their champions steer the attention away from the real problem - themselves.
Gast,
Using your own estimate if Gays account for half the Aids cases doesn't it follow that the other half are hetero? Who is responsible for their poor choices? Xenu? Oh wait, I remember, Paula Deen!
I emailed him on this. He sent me an opinion column from 1988 claiming they were facts from the CDC. Needless to say, I sent him to the CDC website where it clearly states vaginal intercourse is the leading form of transmission. The man is an idiot and is making our state look horrible.
Shawnee, if Campfield thinks information from 1988 is current, he's going to be very sad to learn that not only can straight people get HIV from vaginal intercourse, but the Taliban is not our friend, you can't vacation in Czechoslovakia, and Ronald Reagan is dead.
Remember: when you fuck a monkey, not only are you fucking that monkey, you're fucking every monkey that fucking monkey has ever fucked.
I think Mr. Campfield has missed his true calling: to be a contributor on Fox News!
Geez, Gast. How do you figure that "nearly" 9,000 (your number) homosexuals living with AIDS are doing so through taxpayer support? Do you think none of them work or have their own benefits? I agree that some of them may be on TennCare but I have no idea how many. Surely not "nearly all of them". A great many people with this virus live very normal lives with almost no detectible virus at all (Magic Johnson).
And why don't you mention the heterosexual population with AIDS that may also be using taxpayer dollars? Why do you feel the need to single just the homosexual population out?
How about infected children? Would you like to single them out?
Stacey Campfield really is the gift that keeps on giving.
To Jon Stewart.
It's the FWD:ing of our state legislation. This is what happens when people "get their information from the internet," and by internet I mean, an e-mail that's been forwarded so many times no one can even say where it started. It's bad enough that Aunt Edna believes this stuff, it's even worse when it's an elected representative. Eagerly awaiting Stacey Campfield's ban on food made of human fetuses, like the idiots in Oklahoma are doing.
"That's a lot and nearly all of them using tax dollars to stay alive."
Oh fer crissakes. It always comes back to "MAH TAX DOLLAHS" with these idiots.
@plumpynut and more cowbell: There are drug users and bisexuals to consider when assigning categories. Also, minorities are seeing the fastest growth rate. It may interest you to know that twenty years ago, when donations were solicited under the guise that AIDS was "everybody's problem." the percentages were actually eight percent hetero, seven percent drug users, and eighty-five percent homosexual. The current rate of homosexuals accounting for half the cases comes out of less than two percent of the population but you can figure that nearly everybody infected is taking government money; those drugs are expensive.
And cowbell, I offer information because since the beginning the liberal media, and now even Betsy, have tried to ignore the actual situation. I had a subscription to the Tennessean for thirteen years and during all that time homosexuals and AIDS were never mentioned in the same article. That type of reporting is a disservice to the truth and the public and known as lying by omission, a common liberal tactic.
Gast,
You take the universe of Tennessee HIV+ taking government healthcare money and I'll take the universe of morbidly obese (i.e. 20% or more over ideal body weight) Tennesseans taking government money for health related costs and I will wager a substantial sum of money my cohort creates a much greater burden on the public coffers than yours. If I am correct (and I'm not a wealthy man)I think one can conclude, using thinking like Senator Campfield's, that a meat and 3 diet is of much greater public concern than sodomy, IV drug use and sexual promiscuity.
Gast, common conservative traits/tactics are ignorance, bigotry, and outright lying, and you are Exhibit A of same.
plumpynut: Why would I want to make a bet. Besides the two you mention, a third dire problem, and one that will lead this country to looking up at Elbonia, will be single parent children. Teachers are already being fired for reacting to their misbehavior. For the record I'll side with the teachers on this one. The first thing I would do to to alleviate the problem is to make educators and schools immune to lawsuits and legal action if it involves misbehaving children. Then I would find some way of punishing the dumbass parents for inflicting society with misbehaving children. Any ideas?
Packrat: I'll answer each accusation independently. Ignorance: I seem to be pretty well aware of all the issues, just not in agreement with you.
Bigotry: I don't hate anybody, but when someone or some group claim a problem I want to shed light on all sides of the issue.
Outright lying: Post an example without making yourself look stupid, inane, and hypocritical.
gast, just replying to your ignorant general assertion that, "lying by omission, a common liberal tactic."Or is it ok for you to make broad assertions about large groups of people like "liberals" but it's not ok to do so about "conservatives?"Just trying to work out your ground rules here.
And you are a bigot, where it comes to gay people. Yes. You. Are.
Packrat: The best friend I've made in the past thirty years at first I thought he might be gay. I didn't respond to subtle probes and I didn't get angry. He ceased the actions that led to my thoughts and we thoroughly enjoyed each others company for years. I'm not a bigot despite your wishing it so. My interest in the ongoing debates is because LGBTs are trying to promote their lifestyles to children and also trying to force employers into inequitable positions.
As far as the lies of the liberal media by omission and misdirection: In recent years alone they've lied about the reasons for the financial meltdown my misdirecting fault to the banks alone (Obama chirped right along in the subterfuge); the media lies to the public by avoiding developments in "Fast and Furious"; the media is avoiding the Justice Department failure to go after racist black thugs assaulting whites and also the Philadelphia Black Panthers intimidating potential voters. The media failed to investigate and report Senator Dodd and Representative Frank's role in the financial meltdown because it fit their agenda to blame commercial banks instead of liberals. And do you ever read or hear anything about how 11,000,000 illegal immigrants might affect our unemployment rate by holding jobs Americans might do? Or how many tax dollars they receive? No, all you read and hear is about bad government officials being mean to them. Again, lying by omission. The liberal media wants us to be socialist and always runs stories about the evils of capitalism while mostly ignoring the fact that socialist countries are all suffering far worse than we are - Spain's undemployment:24%, Portugals' ready to go under. And the media lied about Bush being a liar. And all the preceding was/is done to advance liberalism.
I have sat here and read all of this for a while and this is what pops in my head: Well I am just coming in at th tail of this discussion. I think where we miss the point is that it doesn't matter if you are democrat or republican...both have their agendas and slant things toward that agenda. They want their cause to be more worthy than the opponent. This isn't the first session of politicians to operate this way..we all know it. Some how we, myself included, get sucked into the far extremes of what is being said but rarely done. Can the media lean to the left...sure. Does Fox do the same thing on the right...no doubt about. So, we really need to take a look at things more for what they are. There are positives on both sides of the issues as well. This has to be the thing that pisses me off more than anything. There are positives on both sides of the aisle on the same issue!! However, our politicians have dug in their heels to "win one for the party" or "win one for the upcoming election". All of this being done while many issues could be hammered out and we could make someforward progress. Pride becomes more important thn the issues. For God's sake, this isn't the superbowl where we try to win to get bragging rights for a year! People's lives are at stake and will change based on Washington's games. These pitiful, silly games of seeing who will blink first, who will give in? All of this has createdthe disconnect Washington has with people like me and you. I believe the problem has advanced far enough now that our leadership doesn't care. They know that natural consequences are so slow to come that they are not under much threat. The system is more powerful than the people. I hate to be such a pessimist, but for me, I call it being a realist. I don't know the answers but I can tell you that putting one American up against another under the guise that one group's thoughts, politics, religion and lives are superior to the other will always start and end with bigotry, hatred, and in many cases, violence. It is one thing to discuss ideas but we have to admit it just boils to an arguement quickly, and because we have no repect for the other, our aim is an unconditional surrender. Unfortunately, environments like this breed ignorance on both etremes of the political spectrum.
I know this may be a simpleton idea to complex social, religious, gender and sexual issues. But blaming each other and having absolutely no respect for one another nor claim any responsibility in how we get to where we are is the pathway paved to hell for all of us. Some of this really isn't my issue or any one else's. I am not gay, but it doesn't concern me that someone else is or two gay people want to get married. It doesn't bother me one bit that they wish to work for companies that give them married benefits. In the blind eyes of justice there is no difference in how ahouse hold is ran and the tax benefits as opposed to anyother married couple in America. Only difference is there a2 penises in the house! Well, if justice wears a blindfold, maybe the rest of us should as well. Look over the length of this post and the horrible grammar , spelling and horrible sentence structure.
While we never see Betsy Phillips more excited than when she is beating up on Stacey Campfield, deserved or not, I have to say that when I first read my friend Stacey's reported comments on the radio show, I knew I was surely one of many who wondered how he could be missing what is going on in Africa.
Stacey and I disagree on some things, but we are still friends (I guess).
I lost a cousin to AIDS. Actually the son of one of my first cousins. Lost an old high school friend to it. Lost some friends in Atlanta to it. Brilliant, talented people. One of my closest friends in the immigration control movement is living with HIV. That link I posted a few days ago, to an old Creedence Clearwater Revival song, reminded me that a member of that band died of complications or secondary infection related to AIDS, reportedly contracted from a blood transfusion during or after surgery.
Anyway, I have no idea how HIV came about, but viruses are constantly mutating, and this one's origins probably go back further than we will ever trace. I do suspect some human engineering was involved last century, some experimentation that possibly got loose and had unintended consequences, or perhaps there was some evil human or "other" intent involved at some point. We may never know.
We see in some animals diseases very similar to human AIDS. The feline AIDS virus is similar to human HIV.
Do you hear voices Gast?
I often find it somewhat intriguing that the acolytes of the party of "Personal Responsibility" have a firm belief that the sentient beings of this world are bandied about like a tennis ball by invisible forces from cherubim and seraphim to the sinister "Liberal Media". I have daughters 21 and 14 years of age who have gone to public schools and done fairly mundane things like take dance, play soccer and participate in community theatre. Not once have either of them come to me and said "Dad that lesbian over there is trying to make me gay." Now granted, given your rigorous demand for truth, their experience is merely anecdotal. But anyone of average intelligence that wants to know about Portugal or "Fast and Furious" or the economic conditions in Spain need only pick up one of these here handy dandy digital devices and input a term in a search engine. I reject the notion that individuals are somehow imbued with "gayness" or "socialism" via the effect of the events around them. I suppose a caveat could be if they are being waterboarded but even then I think the desired results are fairly transient if the subject can get out of the torture chamber.
I happen to know some effective therapists Gast. I'd be glad to forward you a couple names. Recovery is possible if you desire it.
plumpynut - I've recommended therapy and exorcism to gast. He'll never avail himself of either. He's convinced himself he's a soldier for Jesus. gast is why Jesus weeps. Time and voter rights are the only remedy for the insidious gast and his ilk, that and a constitutional amendment reversing Citizens United.
Ms. Locke - I am surprised. "deserved or not?" Wow. Or should I say "Gak" or "Gerk?" And I thought I had inexplicable idiot friends. Though they don't have the automatic cache' and esteem of public office, this ding-dang makes them look like particle physicists.
Gast, you are a lone voice on this topic. Your usual compatriots are missing. Even AWP isn't sharing his Colbert jest. I'm guessing because a lack of compassion and understanding for others serious illnesses isn't funny.
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@plumpynut: Cynthia Nixon.
@Donna Locke: I lost a nephew to AIDS in 1987. He was gay which, in his case at least, I attributed much of his orientation to not having a male presence in his life - raised by an aunt and his maternal grandmother - until he was fourteen. He was pretty effeminate by that time.
@everyone-elseistheproblem: The direction of the country, if that is your concern, is determined by political philosophy, not by the goodness of the politicians or right and wrong. And everybody wants to be right and if they are right than their opponent is wrong and nobody likes to be told they're wrong. There is, and will be, no solution unless I am declared to be king; then I will fix everything.
@gast:
"@plumpynut: Cynthia Nixon."
You hear the voice of Cynthia Nixon?
@rorohonda: Went to your link. It must have been written by Dumb or Dumber.
@more cowbell: Love your name but I wish you would change it. I like to use it when writing about something needing positive change. Now, about your accusation. Read through the obituaries. Do you feel great loss and sadness? I didn't think so. The fact is millions of us die everyday without a feeling of personal loss in ourselves, though we all can feel empathy for the parents of the two recent suicides. But don't you feel just as badly for innocent victims of thuggery? I sure do and that's something that pisses me off.
GAST IS A MORON - @Donna Locke: I lost a nephew to AIDS in 1987. He was gay which, in his case at least, I attributed much of his orientation to not having a male presence in his life - raised by an aunt and his maternal grandmother - until he was fourteen. He was pretty effeminate by that time.
This is a PRIME EXAMPLE OF GAST LOGIC that just stupefies. If being raised with no "male presence" was all it took to make someone gay, how do you account for the millions of straight kids raised with no male presence? No, lets ignore reality and a mountain of scientific evidence and conclude that it's environment that determines sexual identity. Is the earth flat too gast? Your willful ignorance is astounding.
Gast: yours isn't worthy of the name. But listen! I can hear baby Jesus, and he's crying and it's your fault.
Smoothy, I've followed Stacey's blog and his bills for many years now, since he was elected. I've followed just about all the criticism he has received on Tennessee's politically related blogs, for years, with the exception of Betsy's blog, which I stopped reading a long time ago for a number of reasons. Some or much of the criticism has been undeserved in that the critics clearly did not understand some of the bills or their intent. I am referring specifically to some bills unrelated to gay issues.
Stacey is pretty straightforward, no pun intended. He is not like most of the legislators, who never give an honest, direct answer to any question. I've appreciated his initial intention with his blog: to shed light on the workings of our legislature -- because so much had been secretive and unreported. This situation isn't perfect now, but you have to think back a few years and remember how it was.
Stacey is a very smart guy -- you are quite wrong if you believe otherwise -- and believes he is doing the right thing. I disagree with some of his efforts -- very much disagree, and I oppose them with action -- but I like him. Even Mike Turner likes him, you know.
I weigh it all in the balances. I am a Libran.
Stacey has been kind to me. I just "get" him, I guess. And I think that in time, I don't know how long, he will change his mind about some things.
Li·bran (lbrn, l-)
n.
One who is born under the sign of Libra.
Donna, you don't make much sense to me,,,,,but alot of people around me don't either.
i am going to go out on a limb here and use a loaded term.............TAR BABY. yep, gast immediately thought of the deragatory term used against black people, but i just think of this every time i read one of gast's posts. it is useless to engage white male conservatives that are stuck in their own thought process because they really just don't get it. i have begun to wonder if gast and tony are just here to increase posts on the nashville scene. surely i don't pass these people by on the streets of nashville............................
"Stacey is a very smart guy -- you are quite wrong if you believe otherwise"-Donna Locke
I don't care if he solved Poincare's Conjecture he's a bigot. His remarks were deliberately provocative but also reckless and irresponsible.
Here's a piece of candy Ms. Locke-Will you be my friend?
Rorohonda: Tis a curious thing that somehow you managed to enlarge your argument to include me with your derogatory term for black people. You have to remember that my original comment was that, using Betsy's figures as a base, there were approximately 9,000 gays infected with HIV in Tennessee. It's beyond me how you can get from that comment to referring to black people as " tarbabies." Shame on you.
I'm actually not very sociable, plumpy, so probably not.
I just wanted to get back on here and address the mention made of Cynthia Nixon. I don't know what all she said, but quotes I read indicate she said she CHOSE to be in a gay relationship. Apparently, she had been in relationships with a man or with men previously. People are saying, well, then is homosexuality a choice or inborn brain wiring or what?
I've written about this before: about how I see sexual orientation/attraction as a line or dimension of polarity. My theory is that all of us have a natural polarity that falls somewhere along that hypothetical line or dimension. Most of us are clustered at or near the poles, and we are naturally attracted to the opposite polarity, what we perceive as our opposite, which, for most, would be at or near the opposite pole, but this can be complex, because all of us are a mix of "male" and "female" characteristics, just as the androgens and estrogens in our bodies are individual, possibly unique, mixes.
People whose natural polarity falls not on or near the poles but somewhere else on the line, even toward some center of it, tending more to androgyny, could find their natural opposite polarity in the same gender or in both currently recognized genders, depending on the polarity of the other. (I believe there are more than two genders, by the way.) Just my theory, which could use development, I'm sure.
These are things I had cause to think about growing up with a gay younger sister very close in age -- a year apart. We were very close, even telepathic. She was killed as a young adult -- I've mentioned that. When we were growing up, it was very clear we were different in some fundamental way; I didn't understand what it was when we were little, but I knew. I always knew. I was the first to know, outside of my sister. I was always attracted to boys. She was always attracted to girls and, later, women. She had crushes on girls when we were in elementary school -- she would point out her "dream girl" to me on the playground -- but I saw the differences even when we were 4 or 5 years old. I think if she had lived longer, she might have identified as transgender. She told me when she was 5 years old that she should have been born a boy and was in the wrong body. I believe she would have related to Chaz Bono.
I kept her secret a long time. But she was not a secretive person. Not at all. She was a very open Aquarian. She came out pretty early, though our parents were the last to know, despite all the clues. The macho ironworkers in our family took a second to digest it and then took it in stride: "She's just turned that way." Nothing more was said. She was never put down in the family. We got kicked out of church, though. What a blessing.
Doctors told my sister her body showed some male secondary sex characteristics. I won't go into detail, but this was a result of the hormone mix in her body. Interestingly, I have something of a different hormone mix myself, as do some of our female cousins, so I think it's something inherited. In my case, I never had any gay inclinations, but the androgen influences surely affect the personality I have and possibly explain some of my personality characteristics. For example, I am certainly more assertive than most women and have never been afraid of confrontation.
Just some things to think about. Be careful what you label abnormal.
Something of a birthday present for you here, Sis.
Smoochybooboo: Your reading comprehension is below abysmal.
So what else contributed to his orientation gast? Was he allowed too much pink in his wardrobe? Was he forced to play with Barbies? No strong Christian men there to bully him out of his gayness? If only you had recriminated him more.
He couldn't possibly been born that way. He was created in God's image right?
Donna, how will your old friend treat you if you told him you were gay? If you told him you had AIDS? He could be a Rhodes scholar, a debate league champion and a deacon to boot, he still discriminates based on sexual orientation. Quite publicly and ignorantly. That's really all the salient information I need to assess his character.
After years of trying to educate people on the transmission of the AIDS virus this man has set us back 30 years in 2 minutes. I remember when HIV/AIDS was thought of as a gay white male disease, why worry? Then grandmothers started dying from AIDS obtained from blood transfusions, young people, babies who's only sin was being born. OOPS what were we missing in the equation? Punishment from GOD or from man? Attempting to feel holier than everyone else we are damning ourselves to oblivion. My people, gay and straight, male and female are dying because we refuse to protect ourselves, we are too good, too fab, too holy, too rich to get such a disease.
If you fail to take care of your ill, rich or poor, whatever they have is coming for you. This has and will cross the most lovely lawns in the best areas in town or country. This is a disease that has no respect of persons rich or poor, sexual preference, race and religion do not matter.
I thank you for your article, harsh it may seem, but it is needed! The year of 2012 and people who appear to be educated are still lost in their own fantasy.
You'd have to ask him, Smoothy. Relationships begin on some common ground. We all have friends, close or casual, who don't share all our views. This is particularly true in political circles and political and social activism. Some common ground is the basis for the interaction. Generally, I don't have much or anything to do with people who are anti-gay to the point they are taking action on the issue, but I have a number of friends who are uncomfortable with the issue and just try to avoid it.
No, I don't have to ask him Donna. That's the point, I just read his quotes.
The primary thought I have about this situation, this issue, is that I can hardly believe it is 2012 and we are still having this conversation, still having to have this conversation.
But we've seen progress, and there will be more.
It turns out old research is good research - you get an HIV infection you're going to die.
Reading through Wikipedia on the subject it turns out that without medical treatment it takes an HIV infection nine to ten years to develop into AIDS at which time there is about a nine month life expectancy. Taking anti-viral medicines at the onset of the HIV infection increases life expectancy to about twenty years.
gast, once again you miss the point. i am using tar baby as what i believe is the true literary sense of the word, and i just said of course you would denigrate it to a racial slur. My point being that any attempt to debate you is useless and definitely aggravated by additional contact.
The Tar-Baby is a doll made of tar and turpentine used to entrap Br'er Rabbit in the second of the Uncle Remus stories. The more that Br'er Rabbit fights the Tar-Baby, the more entangled he becomes. In modern usage according to Random House, "tar baby" refers to any "sticky situation" that is only aggravated by additional contact.
@gast: you said, "you get an HIV infection you're going to die."
Now to paraphrase Bill Hicks: News flash! HIV-negative people die EVERY DAY. Perhaps we should outlaw birth, because something like 100% of every birth results [eventually] in death. Now we can't have people dying, because that would be...natural?
"Old research is good research."
By that old chestnut, I presume that the violet glass in your atrium is doing a bang-up job preventing illness by correcting the imbalance in your bodily humours?
Okay, I'm officially sick of this discussion.
The postulate was that Stacey Campfield shot his mouth off about things he clearly did not know, let alone research. This discussion immediately devolved into one of those "nature/nurture" discussions on homosexuality, which, by the way, has nothing to do with the original topic. The topic is, may I remind everyone, the fact that one of our legislators did not choose avail himself of the excellent research department that we, as taxpayers, dutifully pay for. We even buy them books that date past 1990.
roro - gast makes a living out of missing the point. Well, missing the point and deluding himself.
