"Tennessee was one of seven states, including Wisconsin, that enacted photo ID voter laws this year in an obvious attempt to to make it harder for the elderly, the poor and other Democratic constituencies to vote."

Your opinion pieces (everything you write) are often amazing and always laughable, Jiffie. Keep up the slanted work.

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Didn't realize "most of us regular, tax-paying, hard working citizens" also did not drive thus have no driver's license. That really makes me wonder who all these people are clogging up the roads.

Don't ever come down with hay fever or a cold, you will never be able to buy Sudafed (or apparently drive to a drug store).

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"People living on the street aren't likely to have birth certificates, Social Security cards or other ways to prove their identities."

So we are supposed to assume that they are all citizens? Woods wants Chip Forrester and friends to be able to drive loads of illegal migrants and college students from polling place to polling place because they will vote 'right' and that is more important than little things like the law. He probably thinks that purging the voting rolls of those who moved or who died is a plot against the rights of the poor also.

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I totally understand Democrats hatred of these types of laws. Laws like this do make it more difficult for illegal aliens, felons, dead people, imaginary people and people who vote multiple times to vote for Democrats which for some reason they always do. Strange coincidence, is it not?

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"The lawsuit can't come soon enough"

Well, Paniche and Woods, it came up in '08. The SCOTUS said photo ID's were just fine. This could have been checked before you began your rant. My guess - Woods probably knew of it but hoped he could slide by, and Pannich did not, and was too slow of mind to look it up.

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Heh, heh, Woods and his sidekicks seem a little weak on this issue. Of course, anyone with good going around sense would want a voter identity proved.

Just an admission of the SCENESTER'S error here would make all feel better and not think the leftist bloggsters are so f*****g dumb. An apology by Woods for all the mean things he has posted would be a welcome, BTW .

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Widespread, common voter fraud is a virtually non-existent problem. In an effort to back up Republican claims of widespread fraud, a week or so ago the Republican National Lawyers Association issued a report documenting all voter fraud prosecutions for all elections in the last decade. Apparently, Republican lawyers are unfamiliar with the definition of a "decade," as they actually included all voter fraud prosecutions since 1997, or fifteen years. But, whatever. In those fifteen years in all elections-- local, state, and federal-- held in the U.S., well over a billion votes were cast. The total number of fraud cases.... 311, or less than .0000003 percent. Understand, this is from a Republican group that supports these crappy laws and this was actually the best they could come up with. The only actual problem these laws are meant to fix is that way too many low-income and senior citizens just don't vote for Republicans.

As for Longfellow's "illegal aliens, felons, dead people, imaginary people and people who vote multiple times," these are all fraud cases and our Republican lawyer friends can only find 311 fraud cases in fifteen years, nationwide, with over a billion votes cast. These widespread cases exist only in your little mind, not in actual voting booths.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political…

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Of course the libs are going to be angry. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't need this law. Another thing to remember, Eric Holder refused to go after the Black Panthers intimidating people outside the poll in Philadelphia. A decision based on racial considerations? Nah...hmmm.

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Funny how Democrats like to rule by Court Decree versus the will of the people.
Of course, under Attorney General Holder they have a full partner in this type
of control over the populous! Voter ID laws are being challenged in many states
mainly to giving the minorities a sense that they are being targeted or treated
oh so badly by those mean ole Republicans. This in spite of the fact that a
majority of Democrats also agree with these requirements!

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Amen davidlongfellow! It is a well known fact that ACORN transported thousands of illegal Mexicans across the border in double-decker buses to vote, as well as register dead people! But did you know that the FINFICALOM Foundation actually uncovered records of animals voting?!?!! They found that at least twelve different species were registered, and voted (for Democrats of course), including here in Tennessee! The FINFICALOM Foundation actually tracked down a raccoon over in Oak Ridge that voted in the last election and put it down! It won't be voting again! So because of the chronic fraud that took place with illegals and animals voting, for President Osama of course, we need these laws and the Republicans are doing the patriotic thing! God bless them!

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From Artpress: " As for Longfellow's "illegal aliens, felons, dead people, imaginary people and people who vote multiple times," these are all fraud cases and our Republican lawyer friends can only find 311 fraud cases in fifteen years, nationwide, with over a billion votes cast. These widespread cases exist only in your little mind, not in actual voting booths."

I'll give ArtPress the benefit of the doubt to say that he/she is not actively seeking to mislead, but is only a misinformed liberal tool and has the intellectual curiosity of a 3rd grader.

A fraud "case" can involve multiple voter registration violations, sometimes in the hundreds or thousands, so the math claims and calculations makes no sense. Here a few examples that put the lie to the phony numbers ArtPress presented:

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.htm…

http://www.examiner.com/political-transcri…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/12…

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/De…

6000 Potential fakes here: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16382570

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/10/st…

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/10/…

Here are a few more:

North Carolina — State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio — The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada — Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana — More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana’s Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut — Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri — The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania — Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected — most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin — In Milwaukee, ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida — The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas — Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff’s office.

Michigan — ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico – The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

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@ Davidlongfellow:

You just wasted a lot of time looking up that information. That is a classic straw-man argument. For the umpteenth time, vote fraud and registration fraud are two completely different things and none of the so-called voter id laws will solve registration fraud. ACORN workers were paid by the registration, so some of their minimum wage workers got lazy and duplicated names and even put down names like Mickey Mouse. But there has yet to be ONE instance where Mickey Mouse voted, or one of these duplicated names voted twice. In fact, those registrations were largely disqualified by ACORN supervisors. Spend some time scrolling through Fox News, or whatever right-wing source you care to, and find even one instance of VOTE fraud and then get back to us.

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"I can't wait for the DOJ to bitchslap these laws."

Until they do, Pseudo, please hold your breath beginning NOW.

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Chris,

You are correct, the two are different. My objection to your position is that it is much harder to catch illegal voting than illegal registrations.

If the media were to examine the names of all the voters in Nashville during the 2011 Mayoral and Council elections, it would be easy to spot Mickey Mouse. But what one cannot easily discover is the Chris Allen who is listed on the voter rolls but who moved to Texas three years ago and never changed registration. Nor does it easily discover the Jeff Woods who died last year.

The election fraud in Memphis during Ophelia Ford's infamous special election relied on people voting as the dead or the departed. Yes, there was corruption in the administration of that election but the method was the use of registered names.

And, by the way, whenever reformers wanted to purge the rolls of ineligible voters, guess who objected. That's right. The same people who claim this isn't a problem.

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Let's move on...

Here some Black Panthers scaring off voters. GWB wanted this sort of thing stopped but Eric Holder quickly put an end to that. Refresh yourself with some video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

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Mark, maybe you need to be making the arguments then instead of these guys who keep confusing voter fraud with registration fraud. Problem is, the people who are writing these laws are making the same mistakes, although in their cases, the probably know what they are doing. They have to know that ACORN has not committed vote fraud and these laws won't stop what ACORN workers were doing. I personally, don't care all that much about this and will show up, like I always do, with an ID, but let's don't kid ourselves that this is about Republicans protecting the integrity of our system. It's not, it's about trying to suppress turnout.

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Chris, young lad, by now you should have learned that both sides do what they can to garner an extra vote or two, but surely you must give the GOP the high ground here. Asking someone for their identity at the polls is vastly preferable to the Dems traditional habits, rounding up van loads, payments and even an occasional outright drink of whiskey, this is liberal stuff, admit it. And, BTW, it matters not if they are registered.

What did you think of those Black Panthers? A G Holder let all that slide did he not?

I just think we all agree, illegal voting, however managed, has ALWAYS been a Democrat vice.

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Chris,

A photo is is absolutely the best way to ensure that people showing up to the polls are who they claim to be. And voters without ids can always vote absentee. That does not require a photo id because it is easy to spot a home address with 15 different voters living there.

You are far too reasonable to be falling into lockstep {or 'goosestep' in the cases of Smoothy, small 'd' and some of the others} in calling this voter suppression.

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No John, I'm not giving the GOP the high ground here. There is simply not that many verified instances of illegal voting, right-wing urban legends aside. And what does the Black Panthers have to do with any of this? I know it's probably a popular topic on Rush's show, but I simply don't care.

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Chris, Chris, ever the kill-joy. I said in my post let's move on did I not? The Black Panthers were involved in voting, that's all. and, Eric (Gun Runner) Holder, gave them a pass. Anyway, I think I would have wished I had voted early in Belle Meade if confronted by those two bro's.

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Mark, I'm really just arguing that this isn't about the GOP protecting voting integrity. I'd agree if there were verifiable instances of recent vote fraud, especially if it tipped elections. But both political parties do many things to gain advantage (i.e. gerrymandering) in elections, even small ones. Remember, Mitch McConnell has been outspoken that the GOP's absolutely top goal is not good governance, or getting the economy back on strong footing, or people back to work. It's to make Obama a one term president. He's repeated that several times. The legislative leaders in Wisconsin, the Fitzgerald brothers I think their names are, who said they pushed the collective bargaining rights restrictions to weaken the unions and make it harder for Obama to win that state. Eric Cantor didn't want to make a deal with Democrats several months ago because he "didn't want to hand Obama a victory." Yes, I know these are all different issues, but they point to the same thing. So, while I don't care personally that I have to show an ID, I don't believe Republicans are doing this with the great intentions that some of you are trying to hand to them.

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You keep bringing up my name, methinks you have a crush on me Herbert. gast stalks me, my name constantly on your lips... this is one creepy place to comment.
Do you have more trap questions to bait me with? Are you still trying to save America one liberal at a time?

I have no problem being on the same team as the reasonable Chris Allen or small "d" democrat, Min, 101, or any moderate/liberal commenters here. I won't presume to think they automatically align themselves with me, I imagine I'm a bit too acerbic for some peoples taste.

You on the other hand are joined at the hip with your fellow fascist coo-coo's - gast, angry white patriot, Flatus, longfellow and the like. And we're the goose steppers? While I'm forced to accept that we are all Americans, I could never be in the same political "boat" as these freaks. I'm not motivated by greed, racism, xenophobia or homophobia. Some people do not use their kung fu for justice and honor.

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Smoothy,

To be sure, I have crushed your arguments several times but I doubt that it what you meant in your last comment. In fact, I just included you because your recent rant in favor of guilt by association did move you up toward the top of my 'Reasons that we should register leftists not guns' list. I didn't realize you were female until someone corrected my use of a pronoun. Sadly, you are not even close to the Top 20 on my 'Irrefutable Arguments for Repealing the XIX Amendment' list.

"You on the other hand are joined at the hip with your fellow fascist coo-coo's - gast, angry white patriot, Flatus, longfellow and the like."

Proving my last statement, you ignore the not-inconsiderable evidence that I am a far different conservative than the others on your list. And your use of 'fascist' is silly. Fascists are people who believe that in all instances the rights of the individual are subservient to the good of the group as defined by an elite leadership. They abhor democracy, free speech, freedom of association, opposition to private property and other rights. That sounds much more like you and some of the other lefties here, not me.

Actually I like your acerbic view. With time, the right Petruchio might intellectually turn you into Katherine.

Chris,

By the same logic, Republicans have over 100 years of Democratic voter fraud to prove our point. Sometime pick up a copy of 'Plunkitt of Tammany Hall.' the memoirs of George Washington Plunkitt, one of the great political thinkers of our day. You will see what I mean.

As for Republican efforts to cripple the President, you are correct that those comments and that behavior are foolish. But the same thing happened to W. and to Reagan. George H. W. actually cut a deal with the Democrats to trade tax increases for spending cuts in 1991 and then got ZERO cuts. That gate, Dr. Venkman, swings both ways.

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I've seen no Democratic interest in reducing any kind of fraud, voter or otherwise, or in reduction of inadvertent or intentional illegal voing by noncitizens, which is a significant problem, according to numbers reported in congressional testimony of officials from several states.

But keep your hands over your eyes. Nothing bad happens as long as you don't see it. Surely that quantum MO will work out. It just always has, right?

Merry Christmas.

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Longfellow writes "I'll give ArtPress the benefit of the doubt to say that he/she is not actively seeking to mislead, but is only a misinformed liberal tool and has the intellectual curiosity of a 3rd grader. A fraud "case" can involve multiple voter registration violations, sometimes in the hundreds or thousands, so the math claims and calculations makes no sense."

It is true that a case may involve multiple violations. It is also true that cases brought do not mean guilt and conviction-- as the story I linked above notes, a number of the cases were simply thrown out. But, hey, for the sake of the argument, let's assume all 311 cases the Republican Lawyers Association found over fifteen years averaged 5,000 violations each (which is way, way too high). And, assume that in all elections held nationwide over those fifteen years only a billion votes were cast (and this is way too low, probably by nearly 50%). With an extraordinarily high estimate of fraudulent votes and an extremely low estimate of the number of votes cast, it would still come out to a fraud rate of .0015%.

There is not a significant problem in this country with voter fraud. The fact that Longfellow and others here prefer the comfort of anecdotal stories over actual cases and data indicates who truly has the "intellectual curiosity of a 3rd grader."

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153079-g…

And not the only place.

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Well, now come on, Chris.... how can we get the country back on "strong footing" with BHO in the White House. He is a weak, inexperiences POTUS and has been overcomed by his job.

He has proved a great disappointment to his liberal base. He is neither fish nor fowl (read socialist or liberal)

Don't you agree?

Now, who got Jim Cooper's email today?

"Dear Friends,

Congress has failed to its job so often that everyone is disgusted. Here’s a way to force Congress to work harder:

Yesterday, I introduced the toughest bill yet to make Congress behave. My “No Budget, No Pay Act” would stop paying congressmen and senators if Congress fails to do its most basic job, passing all the appropriations bills on time, by October 1st each year."

Jim Cooper

Why not BHO putting forth such fine ideas? He has only 2. Apologizing for America'S bad behavior and the mostly unread health bill.

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"Crushed my arguments."

You haven't explained to my or anyones satisfaction, (outside of your own,) that a persons membership in a racially exclusive club is anything but bigotry. Ipsa evidentia. Then again, convincing yourself seems to be enough. I suppose you claim victory in all of your arguments, once you've hypnotized yourself and everyone else with your droning on and on about some red herring or another. I'm sure you claim the same victory when you successfully negotiate a four way stop or when you claim a coveted parking space.

I'll clarify AGAIN that I am not a female. gast called me a "girl" in a third grade attempt to insult me. I find that women have the same capacity for intellect as men, so I'm not insulted by the accusation. I just want to be clear so you don't harbor any inappropriate feelings for me like gast does. He calls me Alexis, part of his hysteria. I am male and heterosexual. Enough hair on my ass to weave an Indian blanket. For the record.

So, you're "far different" from your Republican cohorts. Do you not pull the same lever? Does that not put you in the same "boat?" What other differentiation is pertinent?

You like your definition of fascism, I like mine. (Modern American Fascism) Nationalistic zealots, wrapped in the flag and the bible, fear mongering, finger pointing, xenophobic, racsist, authoritarian, elitist, and leaders of a full out assault on the "lower" classes.

Katherine? I suppose I'm too late to avoid your creepy, coquettish, Shakespearean advance. Just what I need, you AND gast sweatily "striving against yourselves" while you fantasize about me. See above, "I'll clarify AGAIN..." I'll go have a hazmat shower.

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Smoothy,

You really need to lighten up and get a sense of humor.

Your gender is meaningless to me. All that I care about is your arguments.

There is a great diversity between Republicans just as there is with Democrats. There are sane ones and crazy ones. Good ones and bad ones. We choose a party because the party, like a lever, enables us to accomplish more than we can as individuals. As a member of the party of people who chanted "Ho Ho Ho, Ho Chi Min Will surely win" or who desperately clings to welfare policies that have trapped more than three generations of people in cyclical poverty.

I am certain that in your own mind your definition of things is what matters. Being restricted to the philosophy and history of fascism, I will stand by the elements that are most consistent in fascist regimes. For example:

What you refer to in a simplistic way as "wrapped in the flag" is the inflation of the importance of the state over the individual in all circumstances. Hitler, Mussolini, Franco etc preached that the state always came first and it was the duty of the citizen to sacrifice for the state. To give you a modern example, people who think that the government should regulate what we eat because it impacts everyone else are {for the most part} flirting with a fascist position.

Regarding religion, the great 20th century fascists tolerated or co-opted religion but not much more. After all, worrying about 'What Would Jesus Do' implied that there were viable options other than what the leaders want. The Christian right makes no such effort. And they are not out to force conversions either.

"Fear mongering and finger pointing." Like arguing that guilt by association is a good idea? Or calling anyone who dares disagree with you a bigot and a racist?

As for elitist, fascist governments were traditionally dominated the 'the party,' The party apparatus allowed the elite to dominate all the elements of government and society with well-placed operatives who owed their position to the party not the government or the people. In America today I will leave it to you to tell me which party most represents an elite that wants to impose its beliefs on the majority in both great and small ways.

My apologies for the errant Shakespeare reference. I will retract the 'Taming of the Shrew' and try for some other more appropriate literary reference. Gollum springs to mind but he is a bit deep for you. Ah, I have it. The perfect doppelganger would be Jar Jar Binks. All your intellectual prowess but with a bit less annoying personality.

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My gender wasn't meaningless when you were hoping to make me a Katherine to your Petruchio you horny old toad. Your boner was showing for a moment there, you old hound dog. You randy old coot. You are incorrigible.

Everything is a history lesson with you. You and Newt have read all the most impressive right wing books on history. But, we don't agree on history. We don't agree on the facts. Rebutting your canards is like boxing smoke. A fools errand.

- I'm afraid there is no set of history lessons that will make me greedy, xenophobic, homophobic or fearful of science, my old horse. -

I'm not interested in weighing the quality of your evidence. I think under all your lawyerly verbosity and thin veneer of reason, that you, at least politically, are a crack pot, with a crack pot's view of history. You are welcome to cling to your ideals as you and your kind fade away into irrelevance. You are the evangelist, not I.

I'm so glad you brought to my attention the enormous range of political opinions in America today! One might say a variety of opinions for every citizen! So, tell us more Herbert, tell us "how the cow eat the cabbage." Jesus, and I need a sense of humor? I over simplified to make a point. Boil down our endless differences and we still each pull a lever, don't we?

Guilt by association - FOR JUDGES WHO AGREE TO BE HELD TO DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAN YOU AND I - STANDARDS OF APPERANCE. Even though Belle Meade Country Clubbers couldn't possibly appear to be racist to you, they do to me and everyone I know and respect.

I don't call anyone who disagrees with me a bigot. Produce that quote. Why do you feel it necessary to put words in my mouth? Flinging about in desperation I suppose. I call a bigot, anyone who is a member of a racially exclusive club. You have offered nothing substantive to change my mind. I declare myself the winner of all these points, just like you did. Crushed you, actually.

Our definitions of fascism are different. I SAID THAT at the outset. You think I'm a Nazi, I think you're a Nazi and a braying jackass. Oh and yes, the Republicans COULD'NT POSSIBLY be the party of the elite. Noooo, they're the rootin' tootinest,' gosh darndest party of the every man! You betcha! The family values party! The God hates fags party! Amend the constitution against gay marriage party! Everything in this paragraph after the words braying jackass are examples of sarcasm. (So I won't have to explain it to you later.)

You couldn't be saying the Christian Right does not believe in prosthelytizing, even unto the Hebrew? Because that is news to me. News to the book of Mark too, 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

I would appreciate ANY literary reference you care to make where you don't try to flirt with me. <- BECAUSE I'M A DUDE. The Tolkien and the Star Wars references are WAY over my head. You're right, totally out of my depth with that. Who could possibly pretend to know more about fairytales and science fiction than Herbert M. Rogers?

Here endeth the lesson. SKA-DOOSH! I just used my Kung Fu for honor and justice.

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I misspelled appearance in my last post. My apologies.

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No John, I don't agree. Considering we were on the brink of a depression when BHO took office, and considering that Republicans have been totally unwilling to work with him, even to pass things they've always been for, and considering that Europe's financial crisis has threatened repeatedly to push the world back into recession, he has done very well. I know that cuts against the meme pushed by Fox News and the talk radio universe, but it's true. And yes, much of the liberal base has been disappointed because they have unrealistic expectations. That also kind of puts to bed the lie that Obama is a radical or a socialist. I haven't been for everything he's done and he's made mistakes, but he deserves a second term IMHO. And I strongly believe that.

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On Tuesday, December 13 a rally was held near the LBJ Library at the University of Texas, Austin to highlight the attack on election reforms launched inside by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. Holder went to Texas to denounce the Lone Star State’s voter ID laws and claimed that simple voter ID laws were somehow discriminatory. Holder ominously claimed that he would use the power of his office to “enforce civil rights protections” during the upcoming 2012 elections.

Outside the LBJ Library nearly 200 citizens gathered to hear a multi-racial panel of six speakers denounce Holder’s partisan attempts to push the administration’s agenda to turn a blind eye to continuing voter fraud that consistently favors candidates from the Democrat Party. The rally was sponsored by the Houston-based True The Vote, a grass roots voter integrity project staffed by volunteers.

This irony highlights how bogus the Democrats’ opposition to voter ID laws is:

One last bit of irony — if not hypocrisy — was experienced as people lined up to enter the LBJ Library to hear AG Holder rail against voter ID laws. As each person entered the library they were required to present their photo IDs in order to be allowed in to hear the speech.

From Here: http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2011/12/…

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Permit me to share my thoughts....

If one does not need to prove who he really is at the polls perhaps it is time to revisit the need to register. What about that? So, go to the poll, tell them who you are, and swear you will only vote once in this election. You must swear you are who you are, too.

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@Mark Rogers: You're not a different conservative from me, you're just not as tired of the hypocritical crap from the left as I am. Smoochy's attempt to change the definition of fascism is one example. CA's ignoring the role that President Bush's TARP played in avoiding a complete meltdown and giving credit to B.O. instead. And trying to say that Obama was not a socialist when Obama, himself, said that his goal was to redistribute the wealth; the liberal media's almost complete avoidance of our government's negative influence on banks and other lending institutions that preceded the meltdown; the list goes on and on...letting Clinton stay in office after he lied while previously demanding the resignation of Nixon. I'm tired of their hypocrisy. You're trying to be reasonable in your arguments and the libs don't care. Smoochy admitted as much when he wrote he wasn't interested in the quality of your arguments and that's a typical liberal attitude. They don't care about, or see, the harm their programs will do or the eventual disasters that are sure to occur as long as they can grab a piece of someone else's pie through taxation to pay for them.

@Smoochybobo: Since you've admitted you have hair on your ass from now on you'll be known as "Fuzzbutt."

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Fuzzbutt - I like that. Would you consider Fuzzybutt? It is reminiscent of the Y in SmoothyBobo. It beats the hell out of Alexis or Alexia or whatever it is that you were convinced my name was. Hopefully neither of you are still playing "whack-a-mole" to your fantasy of me.

And we agree that you're not so different a conservative as Herbert. He should be proud of your association under the same banner. And he was trying to hide that under a bushel. You guys should be "lock step" in order to defeat the insidious liberal tide. Your list of grievances does go on and on doesn't it? Though not nearly as on and on as Mr. Rogers. He is indefatigable isn't he? I imagine my last comment (flaying) will produce an entire book's worth of comments from him. Maybe Newt will sign it for him.

If you are tired of my hypocrisy then I am equally as tired of your hysterical revisions of history. And speaking of quality of evidence, when you equate lying about an extramarital blowie with lying about subverting a national election... well, we REALLY don't have anything to talk about. Lets just get back to calling each other names, a far more satisfying exercise. Douche.

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@fuzzbutt: Once again you're making up your own history. Watergate was a failed break-in to obtain information on the Democratic National Convention. Nixon knew nothing of the break-in but his subordinates did. After he learned of the extent of their involvement and conspiring to help them deny it, he was convicted of lying about White House staff's involvement. A President lying is a President lying no matter the reason and Clinton should also have been removed from office, especially considering his previous instances of sexual harrassment.

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Yes gast, lets hash out our historical differences about Watergate. Lets pretend that Nixon wasn't paranoid about what information the DNC had to use on him in the next presidential election. Lets go back and forth citing references and quoting sources. No thanks. (This is where you claim total and crushing victory like Mark Rogers!)

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Since a lawsuit would be a waste of both time and money concerning this much
needed law, maybe the Journalist and press organizations that continue to use
criticism of it as space filler should pony up for the legal fees!

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What is wrong with every voter having to show some form of Photo ID to vote , we have to show a Picture ID to do almost everything else in the USA, so if the people voting have nothing to hide, then why not just go and get a photo ID, they are so easy to get. That would stop all the fights about it being the Dems having dead people vote or the Reps. having dogs vote.
If a person can get to the polls to vote, they can just as easily get a photo ID .
There is no excuse for anyone not to have some form of Photo ID and they should have that with them at all times so if they get killed or the homeless die while sleeping, the Police will know who they are.
What is this being fought so hard, if there is nothing to hide then what is the problem. Even School kids have to have photo ID'S to ride the Bus, or we need photo ID'S to cash a check or for many different reasons.
If people have nothing to hide , just go get a Photo ID and be safe and keep your love ones from worrying if you get killed and it takes weeks for you to be Identified.
If people have nothing to hide , they don't fight so hard, and if everyone has to show a Photo ID, it would be fair to everyone. And it would make it hard for dead people, seven year olds or dogs to Vote.
What is the problem?
I don'e see one and I am an older woman and I will find a way to vote, if I have to crawl, or beg to get there. I have a Photo ID and it was not hard at all, I did not even have to smile. I did not have to pay for it, so call your Local Police department and they should be able to tell you where you can go for a Photo ID, and Places you can get them for free.
People that get a Welfare check already have a Photo as they have to have one to cash the check or deposit it in the Bamk and if they can go to the Bank, they can get to a place to have a Photo ID taken.
That is not a reason to not have any form of ID.

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