I'd like to see Ramsey's birth certificate...........If Obama is a Kenyan why does he speak English better than Ramsey? Do you think it's because Obama is half African American or because his father was born in another country? Why is our Lt Gov. so ignorant to basic civic issues? I'm pretty he doesn't know that our own Andrew Jackson was the only president born of two immigrant parents? They were both born in Ireland, but they were white so it makes it ok, right Ramsey isn't that the difference!

Kenya is the new Carrickfergus!

I've always loved Mac Davis...

Gosh!

He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground either.
Only nobody asked about that.

Hillary Clinton, John McCain, all the other presidential candidates from both parties, the Republican National Committee, and the Republican governor of Hawaii are all satisfied that Obama was born in this country and has always been a citizen of the U.S. But that's not good enough for these morons?? What pathetic jokes they are!

Ron Ramsey = Boss Hogg
Kenneth Hill = Rosco Coltrane
Matthew Hill = Cooter and or Daisy (wink wink)
Note:
My deep and sincere apologies go out to Sorrell Booke, James Best, and Catherine Bach for having to use your characters in the same sentence as backward religious zealots like these. Sorry Ben Jones, these are your kinda idiot rednecks, so for you, no apology.
If by some horrible nightmare Ramsey got elected, do you think he and his boy Kenny will call the Governors Mansion "The Boars Nest"? Just curious.

Anyone who would vote for this idiot ought to have their voting privilages revoked. It's obvious he's playing to the hatred. Someone needs to give Davis the stagehook

I don't know whether Don Ramsey f**ks goats, either.

To all those who think Obama is American... If Obama has a birth certificate, why doesn't he just show it? Ever think about that? Luckily, Republicans are fact based and just ask for the facts. Asking for facts means libs will call you racist.

Since Ron Ramsey won't say it, I will. Mac Davis is just not right.

Oh for God's sake Centervilly, Obama's birth certificate is public record that has been verified by the Republican governor of Hawaii! He is not trying to hide it. You can go to Nashville airport, get on a plane, go to Hawaii and go look at it yourself! This myth that the President is "not showing his birth certificate" is just that, a stupid urban myth that has people around the world laughing at us for teh kind of goobers we have in America nowadays.

Centervilly: If Sarah Palin's youngest kid is really her kid, and not Bristol's first illegitimate daughter, why doesn't she just show the kid's birth certificate? Ever think of that? I'm just asking for the facts.

How has it come to pass that the great State of Tennessee is now dominated by utter nitwits? I understand completely that "Tea Partiers" have supposedly risen up against the "status quo", and that a dual party system should contribute to a democracy-enriching exchange of ideas, but my God, are these people serious? And these are educated people, and elected leaders to boot? Really?? What does this say about the people who look to the Tennessee GOP for leadership? I guess I should look at their bumper stickers - the modern literature of the modern conservative.

T-Man is right. We don't know what Ramsey's alleged perverse sexual desires may have led him to do to all those poor goats. We don't know how he violated the goats, nor do we know if the goats consented to the rather startling sexual acts that Ramsey probably performed. We don't even know if the goats Ramsey prefers are male or female. We can't know until he produces the goats for public examination by a team of experts in veterinary sexual deviance. And yet, we have not been able to examine the goats. What is Ramsey hiding?

At least he said "President Obama" without appending his middle name. Or putting "President" in air quotes.

I've spent some time on message boards sticking up for Tennessee when other people. pointing to some issue, would assume that all of Tennessee consisted of knuckle-dragging rednecks. I mean, Tennessee IS the state that fought North carolina's pollution of the Pigeon River, Tennessee was first state to legislate the idea of second-degree murder so that people who killed in the heat of madness would get clemency, Tennessee is the sttae that once, back around 1913, hanged two white me who lynched a black farmer, and Tennessee is the state that, in the 70s, crusaded against highway litter with its clever "Tennessee Trash" TV ad. But along comes some goober like this guy Davis who embarsses the Volunteer State!

Ramsey is a complete moron.... if ANYONE truly believes that the CIA, FBI, DIA and all of the other resources we have in this country would allow a non-American citizen to be illegally voted into the highest office in the land, then you are a brain dead idiot. That includes you Ramsey.

Does the term gooBer refer to a peanut or is it an anagram for something you remove from you nose?

How do I know that Don Ramsey did not give STD to my goat? I need him to proof that he did not srew my gaot the other night.

why won't ramsey come clean about his goat fetish? what's he hiding?

One again swimmers from the shallow end of the gene pool prove why the term red neck becomes the most common adjective for Tennessee. When the old "doofus" guard of the TN GOP disappear, maybe a progressive Tennessee will erase these past idiotic quotes and deeds.

Is it possible that nobody commenting on this article actually read the article? I'm no Ramsey fan, but he is clearly stating that this is a non-issue.

Correct, Any No Mouse, but if he wanted to truly make it clear it was a non-issue, he should have said "Look, President Obama is a citizen. This is a non-issue our side needs to move on from and instead focus on job creation, education, etc, etc."
Instead he said "I don't know if he's a citizen or not" so he gets to have it both ways.

Thank you, thank you, everyone.

I'm going to tell you something. I don't know whether President Obama is a citizen of the United States or not. I don't know what the whole deal is there.
Yeah, really cleared up that non-issue didn't he? Ramsey doesn't have the guts to tell the guy Obama is a US citizen. That would alienate the base.

Hey Centervilly, I have a question for you. Why is it that the birth certificate that's been produced, the same one verified by the republican governor of Hawaii, works for everybody else born in Hawaii to prove citizenship, but it doesn't work for Obama? Why is that? Also, if there was anything to this, Palin would've been spewing about it on the campaign trail. The man was running for president and you don't think that the McCain campaign, the CIA, the FBI, probably even the Bush admin didn't investigate him? Really? I mean, seriously, you can't be this ignorant.

I also don't know what Ramsey's thing is for goats? I'm not saying he does or doesn't have a penchant for diddling goats. And, I don't know whether his preference is for male or female goats. I just don't know what the deal is there.
Even though Ramsey won't provide proof of his non-proclivity for goats, I believe that this is not a political issue that we ought to be focusing on... that being whether Ramsey shags goats or not. We should focus on Ramsey's non-goat shagging practices.
Only, if he would just provide some proof....
Cuz, I like to base my opinions on facts, ya know.

Ken:
Um, yes, he can be that ignorant. And he is. Get used to it.

"the great preponderance of the evidence"? This Davis clown is either a poor lawyer or just not the most honest fellow. Or some third option that involves a master strategy to help his fellow man.

Whoa--that puts Ramsey in the same category as Marsha Blackburn. She's a dingbat who placates the ultra right wing extreme. What's his excuse???

It is an embarrassment to even say you live in Tennessee with teabaggers and birthers saying preposterous things 24-7 about the President and a healthcare plan that will make "pre-existing conditions" a thing of the past.
Tennessee is one of four states with an obese population of 30%; we are in the top four states with the highest obesity, hypertension and diabetes.
It's clear that race is still a massive problem in the South.

Lieutenant governor Ramsey, now since the Republicans control both houses of the Tennessee legislature, it seems to me that they might consider passing a state law that says in all future elections no candidate for the Tennessee legislature can be put on the ballot in Tennessee unless they produce positive proof they are sane. If we continue to have a legislature like that the current one, soon we'll need to change the legislative uniform to white sheets and hoods. Is there any chance that you would consider that?

Ask Lt. Governor Ron Ramsey how he and other Northeast Tennesee anti-abortion rights Republicans (i.e.: Jason Mumpower, David Davis, Steve Godsey) actually helped John Gregory’s Monarch Pharmaceuticals (a subsidiary of Gregory’s Bristol based King Pharmaceuticals) and Hoechst Marion Roussel (HMR, subsidiary of the German giant pharmaceutical company Hoechst AG,one-time patent owner and manufacturer of abortion drug RU-486 ) circumvent the U.S. National Right to Life Committee consumer boycott against Hoechst and Hoechst pharmaceutical products including ALTACE…
During 1994, the U.S. National Right to Life Committee announced a U.S. boycott of all Hoechst pharmaceutical products including Altace in opposition to the distribution and sale of the Hoechst RU-486 abortion prescription drug and by September 17 the anti-abortion organization, Pharmacists For Life International, joined the NRLC boycott, “…against the American subsidiary of Hoechst AG, Hoechst-Roussel, Hoechst-Celanese, its generic subsidiary Coply Pharmaceuticals and the agricultural Hoechst subsidiary” while asking U.S. consumers to “…focus on key Hoechst drugs which have the most economic impact rather than taking an across-the-board shotgun approach” and specifically targeting Altace as a boycott list item.
Gregory’s Monarch Pharmaceuticals did not buy Altace from HRM outright, but rather obtained U.S. marketing and distribution rights to Altace and certain other Hoechst products, thereby actually becoming business partners with Hoechst.
Abd if you should examine some of the earliest King Pharmaceutical filings (yearly reports available through the Edgar Search) with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, you would also learn that Monarch Pharma was actually purchasing ALTACE ingredients from Hoechst during the time before Monarch Pharma obtained FDA approval for ALTACE being processing at Monarch’s facilities.
Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey and his political connection to Altace, Hoechst Marion Roussel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=179×4843

YouTube: 2004 Ron Ramsey Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIi9S2y5FIk&feature=player_embedded

Answers.com: Company History – Hoechst AG
http://www.answers.com/ topic/hoechst-ag
excerpt:
With operations in 120 nations around the globe, Hoechst (pronounced “herckst”) A.G. is the world’s largest chemical manufacturer. By the mid-1990s, less than 25 percent of its annual revenues were generated in its home country of Germany. From its roots as a dyestuffs producer, the company grew to become one of that nation’s top three chemical firms. It was a key component of the IG Farben chemical cartel, and emerged from the post-World War II breakup of that conglomerate as a strong and growing entity. Hoechst developed a particular focus on pharmaceuticals in the ensuing decades, but its diverse product line–including agricultural and industrial chemicals, fibers, polymers, and engineering services–helped to shelter it from vacillations in any one market. In 1996 the Kuwaiti government, through Kuwait Petroleum Corporation, continued to hold the 25 percent stake in Hoechst that it had first acquired over a decade before.
…
As the twin demons of recession and drug industry consolidation bedeviled Hoechst in the early to mid-1990s, the company devised new strategies. Key among them was the joint venture, wherein two or more companies share the costs and benefits of researching, developing, and marketing new products. Joint ventures with Courtaulds in fibers, Schering in pesticides, and Wacker in plastics were expected to boost productivity in these lagging sectors. Cooperative projects such as these also helped forge vital relationships in new and emerging markets. In 1990, for example, the company signed an agreement with Japan’s Teijin to manufacture flame-retardant fibers.
Ironically, acquisitions were also used as economizing measures, as Hoechst executives expected to squeeze economies of scale from new affiliates. Accordingly, the company acquired three European powder coatings operations, a German fibers producer, and a controlling stake in an American manufacturer of generic drugs. In a 1995 bid to re-establish itself as a leading player in the drug business, the company acquired Marion Merrell Dow for US$7.1 billion. The merger moved Hoechst into third place in the continuously consolidating pharmaceutical industry.

Upshot: The notable Tennessee Republican Party campaign contributor, Tennessee Right to Life contributor, and Former King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. CEO John Gregory was business partners (through King Phara subsidiary Monarch Pharmaceuticals) with one-time corporate RU-486 abortion drug patent owners Hoechst A.G./HMR.
The late December 1998 purchase of U.S. marketing and distribution rights to Altace by Monarch Pharmaceuticals allowed Hoechst A.G./HMR to circumvent the 1994 consumer boycott by the National Right to Life organization against Altace and other HMR branded pharma products in the U.S. and recoup the Hoechst A.G./HMR corporate investment into bringing Altace into the U.S. market.
Tennessee Lt. Governor Ron Ramsey is still one of the many toadying TNGA Republican lapdogs still on the leashes held by the members of the Bristol based Gregory family…
In an indirect way, the RU-486 abortion drug helped to get Ron Ramsey elected as Tennessee Lt. Governor.

Hey Obamabots, if this is such a non-issue, then why is the Obama administration trying to silence me? My buddy Ted, Captain Steve, and I have been on the run because of our work on this issue. I have to sleep in a new place every night or find myself in an unmarked grave. But fear not, fellow Obama-phobes. A few of my compatriots and I who attended the last conspiracy convention in Sioux Falls, have commissioned an investigative reporter who has worked with Fox News to bring our journey to fruition and word on the street is he is getting close to proving this once and for all. And we will laugh last!!!!!

It is amazing that you "progressives" cannot deal in facts, only insults and namecalling...Ramsey was right...he doesn't know, nor does anyone else, because the original birth certificate has not been released by Obama...but it is probably based on embarassing facts, rather than a deep, dark, conspiracy to conceal his foreign birth. Ramsey handled this honestly and forthrightly...but not to the satisfaction of those who remain at the feet of the messiah.

Conspiracy Buff, that is by far the best impersonation of a birther that I've seen in a while. The 'unmarked grave' nonsense was a really nice touch; it helps to drive home the insane paranoia that birthers feel every time they step out into the sunlight.
Henry Butler, your argument is so ridiculous and full of nonsense that I only have one thing to say:
Fail less, please.

Mr Butler, you are right. Why can't we have a real American born president like John McCain? We need someone who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, like Sen McCain or President George W. Bush, not those sons of privilege like Pres Obama, whose dad was a big Harvard grad, or Pres Clinton, whose father's son was a U.S. president. As you rightly point out, why can't we all be as honest as our state legislators.

What's all this I've been reading about Ron Ramsey and barnyard animals? I too have heard that barnyard animals become skittish when Ramsey is around.
I'm not saying any of this is true, but why doesn't Ramsey release his criminal record abstract, and show it is stamped "subject has clear record to date."
What's he hiding?

The evidence is mounting that this man is a menace to barnyards everywhere!
We need to do some investigative journalism to get to the bottom of this. Maybe we can hire O'Keefe to dress up like a goat.

"Maybe we can hire O'Keefe to dress up like a goat."
Don't forget the hidden camera. Put it inside a bale of hay.

Hey, don't be so hard on the guy. We expect our politicians to be instant experts on everything. If he knows there are birthers, and doesn't know the validity of their claims, it's no sin to admit that he doesn't think the issue is important and hasn't looked into it.
REAL birthers are sure President Obama posted a forged birth certificate on his web site, that his grandmother planted the birth announcements in the Honolulu newspapers back in 1961, and that the State of Hawaii health department director is lying when she posted an official letter on the Department web site saying she had examined the records and that Obama was born in Hawaii. Heck, real birthers doubt that Hawaii is even a state! REAL birthers are certain Obama is not a legitimate president, and are just waiting for some evidence to prove it.

To all you birthers out here,
Have you ever obtained a passport? If you haven't, go ahead and try. Make sure you bring your real birth certificate. They won't accept copies.
President Obama has a passport. How could he have possibly got one without his real birth certificate?
He wouldn't have. How about a drivers license? Or a voter registration card? Or proof that he is the father of his daughters?
There are many, many things that require a real birth certificate.
Birthers, do yourselves a favour and THINK!

mary b, think for a second. If Barry Soetoro has a passport, why doesn't he show the birth certificate he used to get it?? The alleged certificate he posted was dated June 2007. Did he not obtain a passport before June 2007?? Where's the certificate he used and why didn't he show it??
Also, why does the state of Hawaii refuse to say his June 2007 certificate is real when they can legally do so??
Second, you're making a flawed assumption. Obama's passport may not prove that he was born in Hawaii. If not, then it's obvious why he would produce a 2007 document that can't be authenticated.
Skeptics simply want better proof than a redacted jpg on a Web site.

@ksdb: You have some good points.
I found a Kenyan birth certificate (Obama's?)that'savailable right here!

The question on my mind: What's up with Ramsey's eye? Anyone?

"What's up with Ramsey's eye? Anyone?"
It's from too many conversations with Orly Taitz. They've also been taking turns staring into each other's mouths. Orly is looking for cavities, and Ramsey is waiting for something truthful to come out of hers.
Simple, really.

Thanks, misha.
Now I can no longer say I'm unsure whether or not it involved a goat hoof to the face.

@ksdb
The republican governor of HI said it was authentic. I work for a clerk and recorder. I issue birth certificates. We issue certified copies off of a state system. They look alot like the one he presented. I don't have my original. Many people don't. Good luck using it to get anything done with it anyway. Driver's license? No, they wanted a state certified copy. Passport? Same. Marriage license? Same. The hospital copy is a meaningless piece of paper to be used as a keepsake. Nobody answered my earlier question. Why is it that the birth certificate that's been produced, the same one verified by the republican governor of Hawaii, works for everybody else born in Hawaii to prove citizenship, but it doesn't work for Obama?

Obama's original birth certificate has been held hostage now for 601 days. What is he hiding??

ken, the governor of Hawaii absolutely did NOT say that the alleged certification of live birth was authenitic. If you think so, find the exact quote. I can tell you now, there isn't one.

@ksdb
It's not an exact quote from her, but I found this.
Here's the quote from the article
"No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the state of Hawaii."
Even the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican who at the time was stumping for John McCain, said it was on the up-and-up.
And here's the page address. The article is also about the head of the state vitals department authenticating it.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
Instead of us proving to you that he was born in HI, as everything points to, why don't you prove to us that he wasn't. That's why it's a conspiracy theory. You have no proof, yet no proof from the other side is acceptable.

@ Anon,
Lingle's response was to the claim that Obama's certificate had been sealed by her office. She doesn't say anything about whether Obama's jpg is authentic or whether she knows where Obama was born. She's simply talking about the state having a certificate on file and that she didn't instruct that the record be handled differently. At this point, nobody seems to know what is on that certificate. We know the state won't release it, even though they could do so easily and legally.
As for him being born somewhere else, I can't say. I simply recognize there are major discrepancies in his Hawaii birth claim and don't understand his reluctance to be fully transparent nor why the state of Hawaii refuses to authenticate the only proof offered by Obama.

Conservatives always forget, but the burden of proof is on the plaintiff.
Obama does not have to prove anything. It is the claimant who has to prove that Obama was not born in Hawaii.
So let's see it.
Conservatives: guilty until proven innocent.
Liberals: innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt.
If Hawaii gave in and released a copy of the form filled out by the hospital to the BVS, it would mean the COLB is not valid. It will never happen.

misha, This isn't about innocence or guilt. As a citizen of this country, I'm simply asking for reasonable proof of Obama's own claim. It's not my job to prove where he was born. He bothered to post a jpg, except that it can't be validated by the very agency that would have issued it.
Your last comment makes no sense. The only way the original birth certificate would invalidate Obama's jpg is if it contains different information than his.
It's time to quit making excuses and carrying water for secrecy and misdirection.

"While political momentum is building within the Democratic Party from coast to coast to make the issue of Obama’s claims to be born in Hawaii a litmus test for its political opponents in the 2010 general elections for Congress, a key component in such a strategy has been undermined by the Hawaii Attorney General’s Office.
Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, has made it clear that her office will not corroborate or back in any way the July 27, 2009 Statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, which declared Obama Hawaiian-born and a “natural-born American citizen.”
The implications of this denial are catastrophic for the Democratic attack dog strategy.
According to published reports, Dr. Fukino has admitted that her July 27th statement received the verbal approval of the HI Attorney General, who “o.k.’d it.”
In an attempt to corroborate the contents of Dr. Fukino’s statement and understand better the value of that testimony, 2 questions were put to Jill T. Nagamine, Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, by a member of the press.
Q. 1: Does the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health have any statutory duty or authority to define the citizenship status of anyone whose vital record(s) are kept by that department?
Q.2: According to the legal references employed by your office, what is the defition of a “natural-born citizen” of the United States of America?
The question was put to the Deputy Attorney General to avoid putting the Attorney General in a situation of a conflict of interest, 'if he in fact' the A.G. did, as Dr. Fukino claims, advise her regarding her July statement.
Jill T. Nagamine, Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, in response, asserted that any answer to such questions given by her office would represent a conflict of interest for her office. Now, that is an explicit admission that Dr. Fukino had no statutory authority nor duty to make such a statement, and that the Attorney General’s office will not stand behind Fukino’s claim that Obama is a “natural-born American citizen.” It is such, because if Fukino’s declaration had legal weight of any kind, surely a response to my questions would have corroborated that without such a conflict-of-interest scenario. You only have a conflict if the Fukino claim would not be supported by a Nagamine response.
In December, the Department of Health for the State of Hawaii issued its own dossier of excuses as to why they are also refusing to confirm, by documentation, the July Statement to Dr. Fukino.
Ironically, and quite oblivious to these developments, the Democrat rabid attack dogs are still slobering at the mouth shild pretending to present themselves as highly intellectually and morally superior, when they in reality are just a bunch of wild dogs running in packs trying to bring down game bigger than themselves. Quite irrationally, the Democratic Party is now asserting an "undocumented claim" as political “truth” and ridicule any concerned questioning of the veracity of such an unsupported claim as a “conspiracy theory,” which indeed is more evidence of the Party’s withdrawal from any Main Street notion of reality.

Hee hee hee! Oh my word the tin foil hats are out in force. If Obama isn't eligible to be pres, why didn't McCain bring it up?
Also, even if Obama were born in Kenya to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, that makes him a citizen, right? I mean, McCain was born outside the U.S., I think, and no one is jumping his shit.

Johnnymac quotes John Charlton's The Post & Email, a veritable cornucopia of wingnuttery and tinfoil hat fringe theories.
Hilarious.

Birthers are nuts. They are entertaining, gooffy and completely nuts. Keep it up birthers. We love you.

Taterman, McCain didn't bring it up because he had his own NBC issues. Do we forget that Obama and Hillary signed off on a resolution to pronounce McCain an NBC (even though Obama wouldn't qualify under their definition)?? If he brought it up to use against Obama, McCain would have been toast.
As far as Obama being born in Kenya, his mother would have had to have lived in the United States until past the age of 19 before birthing him abroad in order to presevere statutory U.S. citizenship. This may be negated by the fact her marriage to Barak Sr. was invalidated by his previous marriage to Kezia in Kenya. In that case, being illegitimate, the little bastard would be an NBC no matter where he was born. Unfortunately, we just don't know all the facts.

Southern Beale says:
Johnnymac quotes John Charlton's The Post & Email, a veritable cornucopia of wingnuttery and tinfoil hat fringe theories.
Hilarious.
Posted On: Wednesday, Feb. 3 2010 @ 1:24PM
Hilarious eh? What makes MSNBC, the Daily Kos, Huffington Post, N.Y. and L.A. times, and all of your other sources who feed you your talking point crap the official arbitor of whose theories and whose opinions are valid and whose are not?? ? All of you are liberal corucopias of lefwingnuttery wearing pointy little hats to fit your pointy litte heads and to match your pointy shoes. The only thing you think makes your left wing sources credible is your high decible levels blaring of as you all yell in unison (without an I.Q. about an egg plant between you in your perverted little echo chambers. You and your sources are Skunks trying to pass yourselves off as 'cool cats.' But, your nothing but Skunks. A Cat is a Cat, no matter how you try to mix up the two, we can all smell ya, and you're nothing but skunks. But speaking of goats, you all will be thinking you are the goats in your sick analogy of Ramsey doing goats. When he and a whole lot of other Republicans ram all your insulting gym class vulgarities right up your perverbial BUTTS this November.

Sir, can you prove citizenship on this planet?

-"But, your nothing but Skunks." It's "you're." And skunk is not capitalized.
-"corucopias" Try "cornucopia."
First, you can't spell. Second, your post is a semi-literate rant. Finally, you are a typical conservative: inarticulate, angry, and an intellectual zero. Your post refutes the reasons people should listen to conservatives. And it affirms liberalism.
I read on the 'net that Glenn Beck may have raped and murdered a girl in 1990 - and Rush Limbaugh may have helped him. I'm not saying they are guilty, but why haven't they released their criminal record abstract stamped "subject has clear record to date."

We won the election and now these sore losers will continue to spew your hate with lies. The way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked lies, then, and only then, you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called facts that they present. Let’s face it no one will go along with you until you guys win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. Keep plucking that chicken.

I'm going to tell you something. I don't know whether Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990, or not. I don't know what the whole deal is there. But I'm going to tell you something. When you walk out on the street down, people really care about this issue.
Show us your abstract, Beck!!

Well Jeffrie, Tim surely is not gonna let you boys back into First Tuesday anymore. He was already hacked that you boys did an end run on him yesterday and slid in with Ramsey but now that you've exposed his little high-in-the-sky luncheon club for what it is (Kooks and Cranks R Us), he's sure to have the security guys on the ground floor block anybody who looks like a reporter from even getting on the elevator from now on. And judging from the looks of you boys yesterday, you'll be easy to spot.

Montana, the only fact we really have is that the state of Hawaii REFUSES to say if Obama's alleged COLB is authentic when it would be easy and legal to do so ... their refusal is telling.

@ksdb: I think you are on to something.
I found a Kenya birth certificate (Obama's?) that's available right here!

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born on Krypton and is a natural-born Kryptonite citizen.”

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records (not a birth certificate) maintained on file (Obama sent a letter to us) by the Hawaii State Department of Health claiming something that I won't take questions about and won't document."

I don't know whether Lt. Gov. Ramsey is a goat f****r or not. I don't know what the whole deal is there. But I'm going to tell you something. When you walk out on the street down[sic], people don't really care about this issue.

JohnnyMac:
obsessed with "ram all your insulting gym class vulgarities right up your perverbial BUTTS"?
Also:
"The only thing you think makes your left wing sources credible is your high decible levels blaring of as you all yell in unison (without an I.Q. about an egg plant between you in your perverted little echo chambers."
Projection? much?

Conspiracy Buff:
"My buddy Ted, Captain Steve, and I have been on the run because of our work on this issue. I have to sleep in a new place every night or find myself in an unmarked grave."
Dude, you need to see a psychologist. Seriously.

"I, ksdb, am a reptile who is going to crawl back under his rock."
”the little bastard”
Look in the mirror, pal.

A Natural Born Citizen is born of 2 citizens of a nation, and within the borders of that nation.
Andrew Jackson was born in 1767 of Irish Immigrants. The US Constitution identifies how and why he qualified to be President in spite of that fact:
Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Before I forget:
No, Obama has not provided any information verifying that he qualifies under Section 1 Article Two.
The online "COLB" is a forgery, which is demonstrated by the ONGOING evolution of the document.
That's right...they're still editing the picture of the "COLB" to make it seem more real.
Legally, all it accomplishes is the elimination of any valid claim, to a "privacy rights" by Obama, for that document, since he put it on public websites he controls with claims that it is "real".

@Jacob Weiss: "A Natural Born Citizen is born of 2 citizens of a nation, and within the borders of that nation."
Are you a landsman? If so, you are a putz.

Obama, the little bastard, is who he is. His dad was a bigamist, providing he ever actually married Stanley ... even Obama admits he doesn't know if they were married or not. Thus, Jr. was a little bastard when he was born. By this alone, he could be eligible to be president, but until we know all the facts, it remains undocumented, unverfied and unverified.
It's day 602 of the original birth certificate being held hostage.

misha says:
-"But, your nothing but Skunks." It's "you're." And skunk is not capitalized.
-"corucopias" Try "cornucopia."
First, you can't spell. Second, your post is a semi-literate rant. Finally, you are a typical conservative: inarticulate, angry, and an intellectual zero. Your post refutes the reasons people should listen to conservatives. And it affirms liberalism.
Posted On: Wednesday, Feb. 3 2010 @ 6:07PM
Misha, "Your" Right, Alright, I Am So Uneducated like YOU, But, I do "no" a SKUNK is also called a POLLCAT in some parts, but not the kind of POLL-CATS who beat up conservatives like the Black Panthers on your sick team. "Your" still a Skunk and a Pollcat, BUTT we are smacking your ass like you 'was' Goat in you imaginary world of Ramsy Goat Herders...scream like a pig you littel wench. Obama is still a half breed, only half black, and only half a symbol that you want to tought to prove 'your' not a racist bigotted homophobe....you have to fabricate a false argument because you can't win on the facts.

"a SKUNK is also called a POLLCAT in some parts"
It's "polecat."
"polecat - any of several carnivorous mammals of the weasel family, from which the domesticated ferret is derived"
When did you learn to read and write?

"...scream like a pig you littel wench"
-It's "little."
"Obama is still a half breed"
-And you are a half-wit.
Obama will be re-elected, and Cory Booker will follow. Better get used to it.
And stop hanging around barnyards.

Evidently the little bastard is a little baby. Today he says:
"You can question my policies without questioning my faith. Or, for that matter, my citizenship."
Sorry, little bastard, if you aren't a natural born citizen, the Constitution says you gots to go.

@ksdb: Obama will be re-elected, and Cory Booker will follow. Better get used to it. And I am enjoying watching you and your crowd squirm. Thanks for the entertainment.

Stick with the facts misha.
So far, you seem unfamiliar with those facts.
The facts remain as I described:
A Natural Born Citizen of the US is born of two US citizens on US soil.
It is the only unambiguous and inarguable circumstance of birth. Others, (not you) should remember that the philosophical bent of the Founders of this great country believed in "Natural Rights". This, in conjunction with everything else we know about those men, and our Constitution, is why we know that "Natural Born Citizens" is a "self-evident" circumstance of birth.
Anyone born off US soil might not be a US citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.
Anyone born of one or both parents might not be a US citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.
Everyone born of both parents who are US citizens on US soil is obviously, or is "naturally", a "Natural Born Citizen."
Obama is not, and could never be a natural born citizen, with or without a birth certificate...and might not even be a US citizen, based on the details of his birth certificate.

The little bastard is having big problems right now. Approvals are hurting and his own party is not unified behind him. This is why he told Diane Sawyer he'd prefer to be a one-term president.

"The facts remain as I described:
A Natural Born Citizen of the US is born of two US citizens on US soil."
I called you a putz. I was wrong. You are a putz and a meshugeh.

Hmmm, and no rebuttal of the facts. Day 602: Obama's birth certificate held hostage continues.

Lt Gov Ramsey may be a snake, but he's no fool. His birther remark is just a wink and a nod to the racist republican base. Nothing new here. This story has been repeated continually since Pat Buchanan adopted Geo Wallace tactics as a permanent GOP strategy - lure the dumbest, most insecure 20% to the polls by appealing to their basest prejudices. Since less than 40-50% typically vote, you need only to bait the 'crazy aunt' republicans to provide the 20% plus 2% for the 'country club' republicans. That's usually enough. So the country clubs run a goofy campaign and then, in power, screw-over the forever naive crazy aunts.

Joe, Wallace was a Democrat and what the hell does Pat Buchanan have to do with this story?? Please leave the accusations of racism where they belong ... in your head. Obama has failed to prove he's legit. Ramsey merely expressed reasonable skepticism and said it wasn't an issue, even though he was being baited.

@Joe the Conservative: Ramsey knew exactly what he was doing, just like Shelby and the rest.
Vermin.

I'm sorry you don't like the facts.
Your tactic of ignoring the facts in preference to personal attacks only reflects poorly on yourself.
As for your projection of "racism", Obama is primarily Arabic and American. If he has "Black" in his genes, it can't be very much.
Any "racism" going on is your own issue.

One thing, we now have a good idea who Rahm Emmanuel was talking about.

Joe the Conservative says:
"lure the dumbest, most insecure 20% to the polls by appealing to their basest prejudices."
Posted On: Thursday, Feb. 4 2010 @ 12:59PM
Yep, that worked well for the Obama Drama team in '08' but now everybody but you two 'dumb asses' (Joe and Mesha) are running back to the barn. (Barnyard types all of you,i.e. " dumb asses," donkeys, just barnyard democrats, waiting around to be fed and taken care of by massa' Obama, not realizing Obama has to wait on orders from a different massa'). No, you two highly psuedo intellectuals, you're still yelping like two pet yorkies on speed, trying to ward off the inevitable. You can't refute one valid fact these guys have been throwing at you for two days now. Your Obama labotomy left you void of any realistic common sense reasoning abilities. Memorizing broken record talking points apparently inflated you with a false sense of superiority. You two are headed for some serious need of therapy when that November day of reckoning slams you up side the head.

@Anonymous: snore

My main concern is for the kids. Who is there to protect our kids, ie young goats, from this blatant barnyard buggery!

@Hopewell - My main concern is for the kids.
"kid: a young goat"
Good heavens - what is Ramsey doing? And is Glenn Beck involved?

Ramsey is balancing between a large number of folks who are frustrated about the background of the President and those who aren't. It seems he balanced it just about right.
What would have been worse (politically) is if he had committed one way way or the other. How can anyone ever make a statement of such certainty if they don't have personal knowledge. Politicians don't like to commit as it is too easy to get burned if the truth (or the political winds) shift.
There is sufficient uncertainty in regards to the 2 citizen parents requirement not being met, and the possible Kenyan birth and later Indonesian citizenship and passport use and such to mean the state of the truth could change with some new bit of info or a successful court case, or increasing public awareness that a politician committing one way or the other could get burned

It appears libs, bitrhers, and conservatives all need to read the Constitution!
Is it that you can't read or don't want to read what is says.
It says President must be "natural born citizen". Not native citizen, as news articles, as well as Congressmen and Senators alike keep using.
"Natural Born" is not the same thing a plain "citizen". Using the two in the same stipulation in the Constitution, separates the two, not confirms the two mean the same!
If you care to know what the Founding Fathers called "Natural Born" read Vattel Law of Nations, book 1 article 212-219. Law of Nations is referenced in the Constitution Article I, section 8, paragraph 9.
Section 8 Starts; Congress shall have the power to: 9- Define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the High Seas, and Offenses against the "Law of Nations". ( Law of Nations is capitalized so it is referring to a specific Law of Nations.)
This says citizenship follows the Father. "Natural Born citizens" are those born to parentS who are citizens of the nation, who have allegiance to no other country.
It also says if you are born in a foreign sea port, or another country while visiting, unless your father has changed permanent residence, you are still "Born in the Country" of your Father.
Your father has not changed his allegiance to his country, by visiting another, or serving his country, in another. (Citizenship is conveyed by the parents allegiance, not by the soil under your feet! Your President, Must be raised to think like an American, not a foreigner, to insure National Security as the Commander in Chief of our military! End of story. Much More important than to merely be a citizen for 14 years, or born to foreigners who would raise you to think like a foreigner no an American! Anyone who can't wrap their brain around this concept has been brainwashed or does not appreciate What America stands for! Freedom! Not dictatorship, not Socialism, Communism.
So according to the original meaning, written in the Constitution of the United States of America Obama is not a Natural Born US Citizen, since his father was never a citizen. Does not matter if he was born in HI or any other state. Obama is a Usuper.
He has been allowed to hide all documentation of his past. The same type COLB doc posted on Factcheck has been issued to many people not born in HI, and was form many years not accepted by Hi as prof of citizenship, in all cases.
Obama has paid his atty fees from his campaign fund, some 1.7 million at last report, Since teh 08 election, to the same atty firm hired by Obama to fight release of his past records including his Original Birth Certificate.
Who spends 1.7 million to keep records hidden, when he could disclose and end the issue once and for all for less than $100, if he has nothing to hide? What is worth 1.7 million to keep hidden? If he is in fact a NBC, why not let the case be heard and settled by the proper court, once and for all?
If you have followed the some 60 plus Law suits you would know, Obama's only defense has been to demand dismissal based solely on the Idea, No One can challenge he has been elected, legally or not ( this is what a dictator does folks). Not one case has been heard on the merits! A half dozen cases are still pending in the appellate Courts.
Does Obama act like he has sole allegiance to America? He acts like America is the cause of the worlds problems, not a Country he is Proud to be Born in. His family were Communist. look it up!
Stanley Dunham.
Anarchy Alley / Mercer Island, WA.
Frank Marshall Davis his mentor.
Where are the Communist hot spots in the Country? HI,WA,Chicago...
Look up the Communist Agenda, Congressional Record of 1963. 45 points of the Communist Agenda. 100% Obama, New Party Dems, (Democratic Socialist of America), ACORN and friends, Marxist, Progressive Agenda!
If you think the Constitution and Freedom has made this country great for 230 years, stand up and demand Obama disclose all his records today! Vote every incumbant and every Progressive out in 2010! Are they Progressives posing as Conservatives? If they don't support the Constutiton 100%,and "In God We Trust" don't vote for them if you want America to remain America!
If you want to wipe your rear end with the Constitution, and promote Progressives, I.E. dictatorship, or Communism, Marxism or what ever you want to call this Obama fringe movement, why don't you move to Cuba or Iran!?

If Ramsey had a kid would he or she be a US citizen if his mother was a goat?

Leave it to sheep to keep talking about goats.

Y'all should mention Scientology, e-meters, and Xenu, and really get this party going.

ryan, we'll leave that stuff to the Rahm Emanuel side of the Democrat party.

I don't mean to spam on here but if any Tea Partiers are out there, in addition to hosting Tea Bagger workshops, I will also be selling aluminum foil out of the back of my red van in the Radissan Hotel parking lot.
Come by and enter a raffle for a chance to win an Official FOXNews Talking Glen Beck Action Figure Pack complete with miniature Blackboard and Red Phone! Just pull the string and he says things like--
"I should of been a rodeo clown".
"If you take what I say as gospel you are an idiot".
"They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered"!
"Obama hates white people"!
It also cries real tears! (Comes complete with live-like, realistic water filled head!)

It's a shame Barry Soetoro can't get some of you folks real jobs.

That's a hoax
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp
I'm selling aluminum foil out of the back of my red van in the Radisson parking lot, come on by ksdb and for you, the aluminum foil is on the house.

Ramsey gave a statement on Obama AND Beck!
Read all about it.

Let's see. The Constitutional requirements for a person to become President of the US has been in black and white for over 250 years. One man refuses to provide proof of that requirement...and you guys liken it to a false accusation of pedophilia?
and you think WE'RE ridiculous?
Wow...just...wow.

Hopewell, occidental didn't release anything about Obama.
That doesn't mean it is a hoax that Occidental's records indicate Obama received funds as a foreigner. It means that it is unsubstantiated.
After you get the aluminum foil off your house, there are some great grilling recipes for you to use it.

Please Barry Soetoro. We have people here who need gainful employment and others who just need education and maturity. Spend those government dollars before they hurt themselves.

ksdb: Old news....but keep plucking that chicken.

Montana, not old news. Read the nonsense posted in support of Obama. These people need serious help.