Monday, July 13, 2009
Law and Order / Legislature / Politics / Woods Puzzled by New Gun Laws, British Look Curiously at Tennessee
Posted by Jeff Woods on Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:33 AM
Following a recent series of high-profile shooting incidents in the United States, the southern state of Tennessee is changing its gun laws this week. It is relaxing them.Translation: To combat gun crimes, these goobers are making it easier to commit gun crimes! Sen. Doug Jackson, who must stayed holed up in his basement at home when the legislature's not in session, explained the mindset of American gun freaks to this guy from England:
"People are fearful about tomorrow. They feel insecure. And the Second Amendment right is something that they cherish and it's a means of protecting themselves and their family and defending what they have. It provides security in troubled times."
Nashville restaurateur Randy Rayburn, whose lawsuit against the guns-in-bars law is supposed to be heard in court this afternoon, gave the counter view: Of his customers, he says, "Yes they're scared, I'm scared, my wife is scared for our personal safety. ... We don't need vigilantism inside my business."
So what's the BBC's conclusion? It's simple: People with guns are afraid of everyone else and vice versa. Everyone in Tennessee is scared shitless all the time.
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With virtually everything but long guns outlawed in Merry Old (and they are highly, highly regulated) the knife is the current weapon of choice of the thugs.
When the Aussies ground up every firearm they could lay hands on, home invasions became the crime de jour since the crooks are virtually guaranteed the homeowner is helpless.
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I can't think of a single reason why I should care what the BBC thinks about anything.
Knifecrime! I love it. Asylum-seeking gypsy Muslim drug dealing teenagers are just knifecriming themselves all over the place in Britain.
I like the BBC because they make kickass TV shows and have a great theme song to their news program (programme). But they, just like every other giant media outlet, are not immune to pearl-clutching - especially when it comes to KNIFECRIME.
I can't think of a single reason why someone who has been drinking needs to be in possession of a firearm.
"Knifecrime! I love it. Asylum-seeking gypsy Muslim drug dealing teenagers are just knifecriming themselves all over the place in Britain."
I am pleased you have learned to research a subject even though I realize you haven't and are simply trying to be cute.
Have a look, if you dare.
http://www.knifecrimes.org/uk-knife-crime-victims.html
I can't help picturing a gun fight in one of those bars like right out of a Western movie. Maybe there'll also be a few duels at high noon, yee haw!
Be that as it may, Emmett, I'm far more concerned with getting shot than attacked by an assailant with a knife. Attacking someone with a knife takes far more courage than just shooting them from a distance. It's also easier to dodge them, depending on your size relative to them and reflexes. Find me a link that shows that the murder rate in England is similar to ours and then you'll be in business.
"Translation: To combat gun crimes, these goobers are making it easier to commit gun crimes!"
Relaxing gun regulation is not, by logic, a precedent to making gun crimes 'easier'. A criminal will use whatever weapon he best sees fit to commit a crime - weapon or not, a "law" is NOT going to make it harder or easier for a crazed criminal to go into a restaurant and shoot people up.
In fact, by and large, allowing people to have guns in restaurants "by law" protects the right to bear arms. It also gives the citizens a chance to defend themselves against a crazed criminal, instead of relying on the Government to handle their protection.
Also, these regulations give the "right" to the business owners to handle weapons as they see fit. Previously a business could not legally allow gun owners. Now, it's up to the business whether they wish to ban guns or not.
I don't know why the Nashville Scene is so invested in making the Government more intrusive into the private life of individuals. Perhaps it's forgotten the lessons our young country learned not more than a few centuries ago.
I know, Emmett, I know. The knifecrime is really sad because all those unwed teenage mothers are just going to have dead boyfriends. Then the little one's autism will go undetected. I blame New Labour. You couldn't make it up.
I love the way this Chris fellow puts the word law in ironic quotation marks. Makes ya feel safer already, yeah?
Thankfully, we're not inclined to give away fundamental freedoms merely because a correspondent from the UK has failed to grasp their significance, or because a blogger from Nashville has mastered ad hominem argumentation.
"Be that as it may, Emmett, I'm far more concerned with getting shot than attacked by an assailant with a knife."
The paramters of other people's rights are in no way conditional on anything you may or may not be afraid of.
None of the rest of us are any more responsible for you personal peace of mind than we are for your welfare in general.
Which is not at all.
I would rather leave my safety in a restaurant or bar up to government regulations which prohibit firearms than to those individuals sitting next to me in restaurants and bars in the city in which I live. Previously fights in bars were usually confined to fists, feet, and curses. These new days they just might consist of shoot outs. P.S. Who's going to obey a sign posted by a restaurant when our own government is saying this is okay.
Why should we ask our restaurant owners and managers to take on this new task of not only policing alcohol and IDs but checking for those carrying guns. At Bar Knoxville now, there will be hand stamps for over 21, hand stamps for under 21, and hand stamps for those packing heat. Sounds like bartenders, servers, and bouncers are going to want to look for a new job. Yikes! Wild Wild West here we come!
I love how Americans are totally outraged by the guncrime, yet in the next breath are gushing about 'the fundamental freedoms of being able to have a gun'??? most perculiar!!
I, however, come from a civilised society where healthcare, education and fiancial security are what is important to our lives.
#Britons never ever ever ever shall be slaves# !!!God Save The Queen!!!
Happy and Proud of my Country xx
You know who I love? Chloe.
PS - My favorite part of "God Save the King/Queen" is the verse about how Scots need to be crushed. "There'll Always Be an England" rules way harder.
Chloe said:
"I, however, come from a civilised society ...
#Britons never ever ever ever shall be slaves#"
He he. But you damned near were, say around about 1940. What would have happened if Germany would have launched a ground offensive? Would you have fled? Huddled in your homes? Doesn't the criminalization of firearms ownership rather limit your options under such a circumstance? I realize that's hypothetical, but ...
Look, that the people of your nation chose to criminalize firearms ownership is a matter of British policy ... but it's your choice. Please don't denigrate Americans for choosing a different path.
I bloody hate America and all it stands for - messes in the middle east, gun crime, poverty, poor education and terrible healthcare systems, not to mention backward thinking about gaming laws.
And I'm sorry for that, and it doesn't mean that I didn't love every second of my fre years out there. But I do not want to live there! My Country takes good care of me, and I am proud to invest in that!
You need to have been around for a lot longer before you can make sweeping accusations at your founders like that.
PS yes, I'm drunk and yes I've just worked an 80 hr week and have not slept for the last 30 hours - feel free to judge me!
Chloe xx
God Save the Queen!!!!! :-)
I hear what you're saying, Carl, but the analogy isn't so solid. If the Nazis invaded Tennessee in 2009, I'm pretty sure we'd get our ass kicked just as fast as Britain in 1940, guns or no guns.
PPS - Love how u think being allowed to carry a weapon into a bar is civilised!! haha
Chloe says:
"I bloody hate America and all it stands for..."
Pretty much says it all. Not much point in continuing to argue with a drunk, anti-American.
Trying to change her mind(?) is like trying to teach a pig to sing. You'll not succeed while just pissing off the pig.
Cheerio.
"PS yes, I'm drunk and yes I've just worked an 80 hr week and have not slept for the last 30 hours - feel free to judge me!
Chloe xx"
That proves she (or he) is a faker right there.
Nobody in Britain works an 80 hour week.
Thats Right Gilbert the maximum allowed hours per contract in the uk is 160 hrs per 28 days.
I just happen to work this over 14 of those said 28 days!!!
I am now off work for the next 6 days, due to return at 9pm next monday for the next 80.
:-) NEXT???????
I can't think of a single reason in the whole world why anyone should believe what Chloe (or the BBC) says. Nobody in Britain has ever worked an 80 hour week, nor will anyone ever in the future. They're all a bunch of socialists and they don't work that hard, nor will they ever. And that is fact, no matter what YOU say.
All Democrats are commies.
"Translation: To combat gun crimes, these goobers are making it easier to commit gun crimes!"
- This is an absolute joke of an assertion. Is it any wonder why you idiots continue to lose this fight?
"I can't think of a single reason why someone who has been drinking needs to be in possession of a firearm."
- Me neither. Hence, why it is illegal.
Chloe,
Your Queen comes from a long line of inbred tyrants and your "Empire" is responsible for the deaths of millions across the globe.
Interesting you are proud of this...
First off, Kevin, don't go making the "responsible for the deaths of millions" chant against our friends in England. Wake up idiot, w e are more guilty of that than they are. You might recall the Native Americans whose country this was before we murdered them to claim it for ourselves and Jesus. You may also remember all the other "wars" from then till now including our tour de force of stupidity in Iraq. I am proud to be an American, but I am not proud of our past in regards to violence and manipulation in the name of defense and religion. We shoot first and never ask questions later. Not something to be proud of you right wing dinosaur redneck. If you gun owners only killed each other, then we would have no problem with you bringing guns anywhere. But you don't tend to kill each other, you tend to kill innocent people who just happen to be around. Like the Native Americans. Hey Big Kev, next Sunday at church ask your preacher man what kind of gun Jesus would bring to a bar or nightclub? Probably a big one since there are so many terrorist just waiting to get you EVERYWHERE YOU GO!!!!!!!!!!!
"Thats Right Gilbert the maximum allowed hours per contract in the uk is 160 hrs per 28 days.
I just happen to work this over 14 of those said 28 days!!!"
I'm not buying it.
I doubt you've ever worked 80 hours over any 60 day period.
You people have been sloshing around in socialism for so long, there's not a dime's worth of difference between you and the French!
LOL
More libtardetry from Alex. Jesus wouldn't need to bring a gun to a bar because he could stop a bullet in mid-air. If you weren't such a Godless gun-hating heathen and actually read your Bible (the NRA version- it's the best) you would know this.
How cute.
Alex is peddling the fairy tale that the Indians were all a bunch of innocent earth angels living in perfect peace and harmony with each other and the planet before the mean ole Europeans got here and messed everything up.
The dominant tribes and civilizations that existed at the time the Europeans got here got that way by war and conquest against other tribes the same way that Europeans fought here other before they ever came over here.
Like those "peacefull" and "innocent" Atztecs who practiced bloody human sacrifices and enslaved other Indian tribes.
Hey Gilbert, I gotta blanket for ya, it's extra comfy and'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy! No really, it's a great blanket, I swear. It's an awesome blanket Gilbert. Just cuddle with it for a little while. I promise I'll watch over your land and property while you snuggle and then give it riiiiiiiight back.
Hahaha! As a gun-owning American soldier in the Middle East, I most certainly don't nor will I ever give a damn what the Brittish or any other nationality cares to think of U.S. laws concerning anything. As a matter of fact, it's time the freedom haters at the UN stop trying to subvert the U.S. Constitution as well. If you're not a United States citizen, they're not your laws, you didn't vote for our leaders and we really don't care what you think about any of it.
