Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Legislature / Politics / Woods What Were They Thinking? Guns Laws Backfiring on Legislators
Posted by Jeff Woods on Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:53 AM
If Optimist has to cut its Little League affiliation because of this stupid law, every Murfreesboro council member and legislator in Tennessee should be required to line up and get whacked in the head by a 12-year-old with a Little League approved bat. Those are the only weapons that should be allowed in a ball park.
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Hum...still trying to find the story here. A fellow pith writing retard talked to someone in West TN that doesn't like the law? Is that the story?
"The problem", as you put it, is that the current law made criminals out of law abiding people. Now that has changed. Interesting you would call 220,000+ people (including a woman whose husband was recently killed by a fellow non permit holder in a restaurant) and many many veterns "assclowns" for doing nothing but wanting the means to protect themselves from criminals that you enable on a daily basis.
Jeff, please stop enabling rapists and murderers. Please.
The only assclowns I can see around here are Jeff Woods and the rest of the pith-ants that continue to write about things they don't understand....
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Kevin:
What is it about losing a major TSSAA event in Murfreesboro, and the dollars that brings in, that you don't understand?
Is it hard to understand what happens to Little League if its major funder pulls out because the parks aren't safe?
Did anyone stop to think about the potential liability costs going up for insuring these events?
Have you ever seen the way some grownups get riled at Little League games?? And you think it's a good thing that we have to worry about them being armed???
Yeesh.
How many of us tried to tell this to those blubbering cowards in the General Assembly? The legislators refused to listen to the overwhelming majority of Tennesseans. We DO NOT want Tennessee to be a testing ground for the gun nuts.
Remember that over six million Tennesseans do not have carry permits, which means six million Tennesseans see no need to pack heat every waking moment. Six millions Tennesseans have some sense about carrying guns.
Funny, TSSAA was on the Hill all session lobbying....they never mentioned any problem with the legislation. Sound like personal political agendas coming to surface.
I understand its just a bunch of chicken littles making something out of nothing. You have 220,000 HCP holders and virtually no instances of them causing problems. They are statistically more law abiding than people without permits or cops for that matter. I can point to instance after instance of cops accidentally shooting people, allowing their kids to shoot people, etc, etc..
Criminals are the problem, not HCPs. "Potential liability"? Is that the best you can muster? Do you know anything about the insurance industry? Talk to en expert. They will laugh at you. People say the same things about carrying in restaurants when statistically, the "potential liability" of getting people drunk FAAARRRRR outweighs the liability of responsible HCP holders.
Interesting your ilk give the benefit of the doubt to drunk drivers over people with HCPs that have pristine records and have never hurt anyone (with the exception of a couple of statistically insignificant instances cherry picked by Jeff Woods and Co).
You people are intellectually impotent.
" We DO NOT want Tennessee to be a testing ground for the gun nuts."
- HCPs have beenb commonplace for a long time here and in other states. It hasn't and won't be a problem, regardless of your morbid wishful thinking.
"The legislators refused to listen to the overwhelming majority of Tennesseans."
- How do you know? All these bills are passing without a problem by HUGE majorites. You now liking something doesn't make you the majority.
What do you plan to whine about when all you idiots turn out to be wrong?
How about a bill allowing citizens to bring handguns into the Capitol galleries during legislative debates, just to let 'em know we care?
Kevin, do yourself a favor and shut up until you can read at grade level.
Please. In a face to face debate I would destroy you and have the audience gut laughing at your idiocy.
HCPs can carrying into the TX capital, from my understanding, and its never been a problem. Most the those carrying are the legislature themselves.
Chicken-littles with low IQs, again, what do you plan to whine about next when all you idiots turn out to be wrong?
So now Tennesseans, to protect themselves and their families from rapists, murderers, etc, are legally permitted to carry their concealed pieces to the little-league game, just in case. Wonderful. That'll be after many of them, gray haired and beer-gutted, are required to display ID to prove they're old enough to buy crotch beers to consume during the ballgame.
Our legislative solons display advanced wisdom, do they not?
Truth be known little-league games can be dangerous places. Once, my friend Smitty, a former Big Ten football player, got assaulted while umping a LL game. Wonder what that redneck would have done if he'd been carrying. (Old Smitty acquitted himself nicely though, hitting the assaulter many times before they were separated. And the wonder to me is that Smitty himself didn't get pinched—bet'cha he would have if it had happened in Nashville.)
How long will it be before metal detectors and pat-down searches become part of our Tennessee park and LL game fun. And that'll prob'ly be part of the next legislative agenda too. Shit! Go for it, idiots.
Kevin, you paranoid gun nuts like to claim that permit holders never cause problems. Lord, no! They never break the law.
On the whole, I agree with you. But the media has reported a handful of cases of permit holders shooting people, etc.
But you, Kevin, and other paranoid gun nuts refuse to look at the other side of the argument:
From what, prey tell, do you insist on protecting yourselves? Name me the TENNESSEE CASES in which someone needed guns to protect themselves in bars, restaurants, or parks.
You know what you'll find, Kevin? Those cases are fewer than the cases in which permit holders have broken the law.
That being the case, allowing permit holders to pack heat in bars and parks makes Tennessee less safe.
Play with guns around your own kids, Kevin. We don't want you carrying them around ours, especially since we can tell that you are the type of dad that gets three sheets in the wind at Little League games.
Apparently the folks on the hill believe in local control as witnessed by the exemption given the Bicentennial park--the state park closest to the capitol building. Usually the folks yelling the loudest are lying. In this case the lying consists of pretending that this legislation will either prevent or cause all kinds of horrific problems. It's not that this isn't a relevant question for the General Assembly, it's just the disproportionate attention that the legislation recieves in light of other priorities. In a year of skyrocketing unemployment and very difficult budget decisions, the General Assembly created a special House Subcommittee specifically for hearing gun bills. This was not our proudest moment.
"...to the wild hinterlands of West Tennessee, even many hillbillies think the laws are stupid."
Wow. Really?
I live in the "wild hinterlands" and whoever is responsible for the calloused, ignorant and inflammatory language above can - and excuse my "hillbilly" slang - go fuck themselves.
Use of the word assclown indicates a profound lack of sophistication, and an 8th grade D score. It is illegal for an HCP to drink while carrying. The level of responsibility we HCPs feel while armed is profound; it is not some power trip. One of us might just save your life some day, brother. Oh, and I am with Ernie.
73% of the people answered in affirmative in a poll in the Jackson Sun when asked if they wanted HCP Holders to be able to carry in Parks, the City Police Chief is backing the Law, and the Madison County Sheriff says he thinks it is a good idea.
Us hillbillies in West TN are tired of being robbed and raped by the criminal element, and the Legislature says we can now take our test, and protect ourselves, as they know that one LEO per 1,800 people can not protect our citizens, and by law, have no charter to do so.
I personally feel you Jeff, are a Richard Cranium for inditing the HCP Holders as some shoot 'em up loutish crowd, the incidence of criminality of the HCP Holders in TN is far less than the Legislature, but then facts would mean very little to you, evidently!
This is why the Nashville Scene is becoming a totally irrelevant birdcage liner. You can hear the suction as you pass the offices.
Ben, you simpleton, I never said "never". There are always exceptions, no matter how few.
Name one? Ok...
http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=10152506
And in other states:
http://www.topix.com/forum/county/richland-sc/TB15DDB92BS1KA4VL
I could go on and on but I have sh^t to do and we already got the bill passed so....get over it.
You lost.
@Ben
There are nearly 25% of the Tennessee population who under the age of 21. So, your 6 million is reduced to 4.5 million. Then there is are the convicted felons (about 15% of Tennessee's population) bringing the total down to about 3.5 million. How many people in Tennessee are non-citizens or non-resident aliens (only citizens and resident aliens can get HCPs)? How many are mentally retarded or ill without criminal background?
By the time you eliminate everyone who is prohibited from obtaining an HCP, you'll see that there are 1 in 10 eligible Tennesseans who carry a handgun.
Kevin is right, the rest are wrong. You all want a nanny state that will tell you what color car you drive.
In your perfect world, the government will tell us what time to wake, and give us our schedule for the day, then wipe us when we are done going poo-poo
I have 3 kids, all of them shoot...not one of you have had a bad experience with us permit holders cause guess what...WE are carrying in fast food resturants for YEARS...yep, our kids have been playing with your kids on the playground in Burger King, Chik Fil a and others...we are in IHop, and Cracker barrel...how threatened did you feel in the past?
Only good guys follow your rules and laws...the thugs dont care about your sign...well thats not true, they LIKE your signs, and your laws...it tells them where to find their next victim.
-Joel
This law is creepy and is supported by paronoid, creepy people. The world is laughing at it. The reasoning behind it defies desciption. As a parent of young children, I would NEVER take them into a restaurant that did not display a 'no firearms' poster. Like I go into a restaurant and a madman appears and you people are going to save me and the kids? Get a life! You people watch to much TV.
Wow, Matthew, you don't take your kids to McDonalds? Burgerking? Wendys? Taco Bell? IHOP? Steak and Shake? Popeyes? Mrs. Winners? Chik-Fil-A? Cracker Barrel?
None of those restaurants ban guns, and I have carried at every one of them.
I also carry in Krogers, WalMart, Schnucks, Wild Oats, Fresh Market and Piggly Wiggly - are you going to stop buying groceries too?
And yes, if a "madman" showed up and started killing people, I WOULD try to stop them, even if that meant saaving your sorry sheep ass in the process, even though its obvious you are not worth saving.
You really make me sick. Grow a pair and take responsibility for the safety of your family.
Morons... Absolute morons.
I'm seriously considering giving up my HCP, and committing a FELONY so I can carry my handgun everywhere ILLEGALLY!! Rather than using my weapon to protect my family, self, and quite possibly A COMPLETE STRANGER LIKE YOU, I might use it to TAKE YOUR LIFE- JUST TO GET TO THE $20BILL IN YOUR WALLET, TO SUPPORT MY CRACK/AMPHETAMINE ADDICTION.
That is obviously the only people some of you with the "GUNS AND ALCOHOL DONT MIX" whiners think should be armed.
The ULTRA LIBERAL crowd continues pushing the "Guns in Bars" statement to promote fear. These are the people who think one has no right to defend themself. The same breed of people who file suit, suing Grand Ma, because a rapist thug slips and falls crashing through her skylight injuring himself.
Bars- ie. Chilis, Outback, Logans, etc. ARE NO DIFFERENT than Cracker Barrel, or Golden Coral. Flashback 10 years ago- this same crowd was screaming "blood flowing in the streets" and turning the "Golden Coral into the O.K. Coral"- The simple truth... THEY WERE WRONG!
HCP Restrictions laws ONLY RESTRICT law abiding citizens like myself and the other almost QUARTER MILLION Tennessee residents. In actuality the MAJORITY of citizens HAVE NO CONCERN REGARDING HCP LAWS!! Add these citizens to the quarter million HCP holders + OUR FAMILIES... NEWSFLASH - YOU SHEEPLE ARE THE MINORITY!!!
Can I depend on you to protect this "gray haired" old man Ben, Matthew, JaStep? Personal note to Sam Cynic: Beer IS NOT sold at Little League ball games. Can you name me one city park in Tennessee where beer is sold?
Always remember: "When seconds count the police are only minutes away!"
As usual Tennessee is the laughing stock of America and the world. People everywhere are absolutely Godsmacked by the stupidity of such legislation and how ignorant that a society would allow such to pass. But I actually think its a good thing. Tennesseans, being some of the most poorly educated, ignorant, low rent group of people on the planet really contribute very little, hell actually nothing at all to the human race. I say get Dolly and Al Gore out of there and let its citizens go ahead and take each other out, the world would not miss any of them a bit.
"As usual Tennessee is the laughing stock of America"
If your opinion of Tennesseans is so low why do you still live here?
Fatback- no my opinion is so high that I would never live there. But regardless, its pretty hard to take self esteem questions from someone named "fatback"?
It is hard to put validity in the comments of someone who God smacked. OTOH if you don't live here why are you posting comments in a Tennessee paper? Are you trying to bolster your poor self esteem by running down others smacked?
Wow! Between Kevin and Fatback just about every Tennessee stereotype out there is affirmed. I think the one where Fatback retorts on the term "Godsmacked" enforces the belief that Tennesseans really do think that a trip to Panama City is akin to international travel. The term "Godsmacked" is a British term meaning "absolutely dumbfounded" or "absolutely unbelievable". I am going to have to post a link to this to my friends because I am always telling them how Tennesseans really are as bad as they are depicted and they find it difficult to believe. The stupidity on this thread could not be matched by the best comedic writers in the business!
Three young men take an afternoon hike in a beautiful Tennessee state park. Its a sunny day and all is well with the exception of the strange 1986 Ford pick up with the confederate flag and Palin/2012 bumper sticker in the parking lot where they left their car.
After about an hour of hiking down a steep ravine they hear the sound of rustling leaves. Out pops 2 men, one named Fatback wearing a Hank Williams Jr. T-shirt that has not been washed in probably a week and another named Kevin who is wearing a mullet and a creepy smile that has not seen a dentist in at least 20 years.
The young men are startled but manage to say a "hey dudes nice day". Fatback replies with, "Its about to be a reeel good day fur us". Kevin, spits a wad of tobacco out of his
mouth and pulls out a sawed off shot gun that was strapped to his back. Then adds "you boys are the reeleef we been lookin fur and yur all ours" After that either Fatback or Kevin, its hard to tell which, say to one of the crying young men. "Awe stop your cryin cuz what I got fur you is gonna make you squeeeeel with dee-lite". You can all imagine the rest of the story.
its funny if this article were about gays getting married, which mind you is not protected ANYWHERE in the constitution, then all these people bitching would be all saying how its their right or whatever. You all can suck it. My constitution was written by gun nuts, homo hating, slave owning, indian killing WHITE people. Who wrote yours? bunch of gay lawyers i assume
