Friday, May 22, 2009
Law and Order / Legislature / Woods Wife of Murder Victim Joins Supporters of Guns in Bars
Posted by Jeff Woods on Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:09 AM
"I am a permitted gun owner here in the state of Tennessee. If I could have been allowed to carry my gun that night, perhaps I could have saved my wonderful husband. ...I can tell you that the odds would have been more in our favor. I had to leave my gun locked in my car in the parking lot that night because we have a law in place right now that makes innocent people 'helpless' and at the mercy of people with horrible intentions."Certainly, this killing is tragic, but could it have been stopped by Nikki Goeser or any other patron who had been armed at the time? That's the crux of the debate over this bill, which is on the governor's desk. If more guns had been pulled and fired, how many more innocent people might have been shot? According to the bar manager, it happened fast. The killer, who had been stalking Nikki Goeser, took his gun from his jacket without warning and started shooting, the manager testified.
"I saw the tip of the gun and my memory is kind of blurred from there, but that's when I heard the gunshot. I mean I saw him pull his arm out." She said she heard at least five gun shots. When Wise stopped shooting she said he turned to leave, but three or four men tackled him and held him until police arrived.Rep. Jimmy Naifeh referred to Goeser's death in arguing against the guns-in-bars bill on the House floor. Here's the video:
"Here we are doing this at this time when just last week at a restaurant in Nashville someone was shot and killed," Naifeh said. "People are getting killed across this United States. I'm a believer in the Second Amendment, but I'm a believer that we should have restrictions."Naifeh pointed out that Tennessee's police chiefs, sheriffs and district attorneys all oppose the bill: "I believe more in my chiefs of police, my sheriffs and my DAs than I do the NRA."
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Congrats to Woods. He got through this with almost no snark.
Naifeh, on the other hand... just when you think he can't possibly sink lower, he mangages to find the strength to drill down another couples of inches into the muck of the sea floor.
Hey, Mr. Speaker E-useless, if you know the woman is opposed to your position on this bill, reach down into that rotten bottomless hole you call a soul and find enough humanity to refrain from using her tradgedy to make your argument.
This man is truly disgusting.
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Um, Wow (if that's your real name), you might want to check your facts a little bit...
Namely the date stamp on the embedded video. Mr. Naifeh's comments on the matter came on April 6, four days after the tragedy (and there's no other way to frame this crime) occurred.
There's no way he could have known, at that time, that the newly widowed woman is in favor of the Restaurant Carry Bill. Her Tennessean column ran today.
And regardless of what we might all think about the Tennessee legislature right now, I think Mr. Naifeh makes an excellent point about trusting law enforcement when it comes to this particular situation.
In state news in the past month, two young men were charged in gun crimes.
One is charged with murder, because the 70-year-old he attempted to rob, shot back. He responded, and she is dead.
Another woman was approached by a guy with a gun. She gave him her purse. He attempted to run away and dropped both the purse and the gun. She is still alive and able to testify against him.
thats just 2 cases. what about the othe 2.5 million times guns save people?dont let the facts git in the way.
Well this is exactly what I expect of a shmuck like Naifeh, and most politicians, regardless of party. All government loathes competition; and nothing is more loathesome than the competition of ideas.
The NRA has not a single gun manufacturer as a member; it is entirely composed of citizens who have exercised thier Constitutional right of Free Association and the right to petittion the government for a redress of greivances. The gun manufacturers have thier own lobby.
This is a fact.
So Naifeh trusts government officials, who are loathe to see thier authority either challenged or restricted; who hate to see thier monopoly on self protection challenged by citizens.
Of course Naifeh loathes citizens. He's a politician, a liberal, and a Democrat. If there are any three groups who hate citizens freesom, then I have never seen or heard of them.
Here in Tennessee, in Naifeh we have the Trifecta of boorishness. Woohoo!
Hey LLM,
You have got to be kidding. 'Trust' is not particularly of issue here even though I have no 'trust' of Naifeh whatsoever. What is of issue is the right of every human being to protect themselves and others from criminal intent.
As the right to self-protection via firearms is an inalienable right as has been pointed out in the Bill of Rights accompanying our Republics Constitution, the very fact this law is on TN's books is unconstitutional. As such, the law itself is illegal in our country and state.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin
Rep. Jimmy Naifeh
"Here we are doing this at this time when just last week at a restaurant in Nashville someone was shot and killed," Naifeh said. "People are getting killed across this United States. I'm a believer in the Second Amendment, but I'm a believer that we should have restrictions."
Naifeh pointed out that Tennessee's police chiefs, sheriffs and district attorneys all oppose the bill: "I believe more in my chiefs of police, my sheriffs and my DAs than I do the NRA."
Geezus, the stupidity never ends: death, taxes and politician failure will exist til the end of time. The felon un-Wise wouldn't know your bills, your laws from the tumor in his brain..
"I had to leave my gun locked in my car in the parking lot that night because we have a law in place right now"
only Nikki Goeser's follow your laws, but we know you knew that-keep creating more victims, it's your job..
"People are getting killed across this United States"
- Not by HCP holders, they aren't...who the hell keeps electing this dumbsh^t?
Rep. Jimmy Naifeh said: "I believe more in my chiefs of police, my sheriffs and my DAs than I do the NRA."
Hmmm, so tell us: Do they go about UNARMED? Do they arrest a suspect at the scene of a violent crime AT LEAST 25% of the time? Do they stop crimes in progress AT LEAST 10% of the time?
No?
Then what makes the chiefs of police, your sheriffs and your Das such pillars of wisdom?
Do your chiefs of police, your sheriffs and your Das have a LEGAL DUTY to protect us individuals?
Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection)
Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody)
Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Simpson’s Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871 (Ind. App.) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
It appears the Courts say: “NO!”
So tell us Rep. Jimmy Naifeh; What gives you such faith in these public “SERVANTS”?
History and facts seems to disagree with your fantasy scenario of “armed resistance will only make it worse”:
Unarmed resistance Columbine (with 5 SWAT Teams on scene and many other cops): 13 murdered/ 24 injured.
ARMED resistance Pearl High School (ARMED vice-principal held the killer until the police FINALLY arrived): 3 killed/7 injured
Unarmed resistance Virginia Tech (Most victims were murdered AFTER the police were “on scene”): 32 murdered/23 injured
ARMED resistance VA Appalachian School of Law (2 ARMED students held the killer until the police FINALLY arrived): 3 murdered/ 3 injured.
Unarmed resistance Luby’s Cafeteria: 23 murdered/20 injured.
ARMED resistance Shoney’s Family Restaurant (ARMED diner stopped the killers and waited until the police FINALLY arrived): even with multiple armed assailants and 21 hostages no innocent was harmed and assailants were stopped by Concealed carry ARMED CITIZEN Thomas Glenn Terry.
Final Tally:
Unarmed resistance -68 murdered/ 67 injured
ARMED resistance: 6 murdered/ 10 injured
Can you give a few examples where armed resistance made things worse?
All of us can name 5 U.S. “Gun-Free Zone” massacres; can you name 5 “Gun-RICH Zone” (Gun shows, shooting ranges, police stations, etc.) massacres?
Sabo Pike CLAIMS:
“In state news in the past month, two young men were charged in gun crimes.
One is charged with murder, because the 70-year-old he attempted to rob, shot back. He responded, and she is dead.
Another woman was approached by a guy with a gun. She gave him her purse. He attempted to run away and dropped both the purse and the gun. She is still alive and able to testify against him.”
WOW! How’d “The more helpless you are, the safer you are” work out for Luby’s in Killeen, TX compared to Shoney’s Family Restaurant in Anniston, AL? (You’ll have to Google Thomas Glenn Terry because the media seems to have missed it.)
In the past month, locally, 4 children drown; one in a tub and 3 in pools.
That’s 3 deaths-1 compared to your example.
Since pools and tubs are obviously more deadly: Shouldn’t we ban pools and tubs?
