Thursday, May 14, 2009

Senate Passes Two Gun Bills, Celebrates with a Song and Dance

Posted by Jeff Woods on Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:13 AM

The Tennessee Senate performs "Camp Town Ladies" after passing two gun bills this morning. It's no surprise this morning that the Senate has voted 24-7 to give final legislative approval to the guns-in-bars bill. That means it goes to the governor, who Pith predicts will let it become law without his signature. A few minutes later, the Senate voted 27-2 to let judges pack heat behind the bench. "Since I live with a judge, I'm not sure this is a good idea," joked Sen. Joe Haynes, whose wife, Barbara, is a Nashville judge. "I guess I'm pleading my case to you because I certainly don't want to plead it with her. She's got a gun." Sen. Doug Jackson, D-Dickson, defended his guns-in-bars bill against opposition from the state police chiefs association and gave an expansive view of the rights of gun enthusiasts to walk among us with their weapons. "Criminals flourish in gun-free zones," Jackson said. He said "the test should not be the need of the citizen to be armed but rather the test should be the need of the government to restrict the right of the citizen to go armed." He said police chiefs were wrong in 1997 when they fought the law that established the handgun carry permit system. So who cares what they think about this bill? he asked. Last year, 278 permits were revoked because the holders were charged with felonies, and Jackson called that a great record. "The number revoked is only 12 ten-thousandths of 1 percent of the total number of handgun carry permit holders," he said. Sen. Paul Stanley, R-Germantown, noted that bars and restaurants still can ban guns by posting signs. He said he's gotten emails and phone calls from constituents saying, " 'Oh my goodness, restaurants may not be safe anymore.' These responsible handgun permit holders are the same ones standing beside you in the line at Wal-mart and Target and any other place. And when they're dining with you at a restaurant, they'll be no different than they were standing in line with you 30 minutes before." He didn't reveal where he got this information, but Jackson said there's supposed to be 120,000 new licensed gunmen next year in Tennessee. Isn't that reassuring?

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Wearin' Kevlar to the bar, oh the doo-dar day!

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Posted by Hargrove on May 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM

He didn't reveal where he got this information, but Jackson said there's supposed to be 120,000 new licensed gunmen next year in Tennessee.
I believe that it's safe to assume that the NRA blast fax has his office on its distro.

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Posted by Andy Axel on May 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Maybe he checked with the Tennessee folks who process the licenses.
http://www.tennessee.gov/safety/stats/DL_Handgun/Handgun/HandgunCarryPermitsJan2008-Apr2009.pdf
Jeff Woods, unable or unwilling to use Google, or just a pants-load hysteric about legal use of firearms? You decide.

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Posted by Mikee on May 14, 2009 at 1:19 PM

"Isn't that reassuring?"
Actually, yes, it is. It's good to know that people who have proven the ability to safely operate a firearm will be able to protect themselves and their families - wherever, whenever.

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Posted by AdaM on May 14, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I'm all for gun rights, though I think that making laws extending them to every corner of every county in the state, at the expense of doing just about anything else in this legislative session, is the height of stupidity.
But now that these bills are being passed into law, it's time to define exactly what the consequences mean.
I want to hear about instances where permit holders stop crimes from happening. NOT as a deterrent, which is a BS-ey way of claiming success (by that logic, every crime should be stopped by civilians if enough people are armed, which is nonsense), but-- like in the case of the liquor store on Gallatin a couple years ago-- when a specific crime is stopped because of a legally armed citizen.
On the other hand...
Every instance when an innocent party is shot because of a gunfight that ensued should be reported as a point of failure for this kind of legislation.
Every instance where a person is shot in our outside of a bar or restuarant by a citizen who is carrying legally should be reported as a point of failure for this kind of legislation.
Maybe crime will go down because legally armed citizens are in a position to stop them. But if there's an escalation of gun violence because deregulation of carry permits, that should be publicized so this political ploy can be demonstrated to have a consquence where innocent people are being killed and injured so the state GOP can justify its existence.
I'm open to evidence either way, as long as the evidence isn't the kind of bogus, unmeasurable crap that I heard in the debates on extending gun carrying rights.

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Posted by DG on May 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM

And yet another in the one million and counting series of posts by Woods about the guns in restaurants that serve alcohol issue that fails to mention there are already about 30 other states that allow this and have no significant problems with it.
Of course mentioning such a pesky fact would be couterproductive to the objective of catering to the left wing kook base demographic that is the Scene's bread and butter.

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Posted by Gilbert Martin on May 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM

"He didn't reveal where he got this information, but Jackson said there's supposed to be 120,000 new licensed GUNMEN next year in Tennessee."
Gunmen? How about "honest, law-abiding people exercising their god given right to self defense"?
"Gunman; A word sometimes used for a criminal armed with a gun." That's FAR from being what we gun owners are. Senator Jackson should think before he applies such a term to law-abiding people.

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Posted by Huck on May 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM

The senator didn't actually call them gunmen, Huck. That was me who called them gunmen when I wrote that. But the senator does sing a mean "Camp Town Ladies," doesn't he? That's him in the front there wearing the leather chaps.

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Posted by Woods on May 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM

DG,
Do the research yourself.
Woods,
Care to take a phone call so I can record and post it? :)

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Posted by Kevin on May 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM

DG,
Here ya go: the "Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog" collects news stories from all over the US.

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Posted by Kirk Parker on May 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM

Would that include you Gil? You seem to spend a lot of time here.

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