Tuesday, May 5, 2009
Legislature / Woods State-Licensed Gunmen Defend Our Freedoms By Opening Fire on a Bike Path
Posted by Jeff Woods on Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:39 AM
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Just out of curiosity, Woodsy, how many non-carry permit holders have been accused of murder in the last three months?
That many, huh?
Why didn't you mention it?
Oh, because it doesn't fit your skewed view of the world.
We understand.
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Yes and lets have some reporting as well on how many people with drivers licenses have been involved in DUI related wrecks.
That would be a perfect rationale to revoke every drivers license in the state.
Or rather it would if the "logic" you're trying to push held any water.
Which it doesn't.
This bill is an outrage. And Woods isn't writing about all the murders in Tennessee. He's writing about open records laws this time. He's writing about how earlier this year you two challenged him rudely and repeatedly to come up with JUST ONE example of a concealed carry permit holder being involved in a crime. Of course, you knew full well at that time that the NRA has succeeded in closing those records in most states. And then the admirable Commercial Appeal started shining the light on who has CC permits and what they're doing with them. Ooops. The "JUST ONE EXAMPLE" challenge easily met and exceeded.
Actually, Gilbert, it is usually reported when someone with a prior DUI conviction is involved in a serious collision.
If they are going to close the records to the curious public, fine...but it would be nice to have, in place, a procedure for obtaining records in the event of a criminal act.
"He's writing about how earlier this year you two challenged him rudely and repeatedly to come up with JUST ONE example of a concealed carry permit holder being involved in a crime."
You two who?
I've never "challenged" him to do anything.
You don't know what you're talking about.
You NRA defenders shouldn't get so outraged over Woods. He's just expressing his opinion. You should be outraged over the vigilante idiots because they will be the ones who doom your precious gun freedoms, not people like Woods. When law enforcement gets completely fed up with goons running around in parks acting like enforcement officers, the legislature will listen. That's one group that the Campfield's of the world will listen to. Direct your ire towards that sub-set of our population.
I got a bathtub and an imagination. I'm fuckin' staying out of all bars, restaurants, and parks from now on.
And when I retire, I'm getting the fuck out of this god awful state.
Pituitary retards rule the day.
home swede home,
Your cowardly half-witted arse will not be missed.
By Jeff Woods', um, logic (sorry, gut laughing making it hard to type), law enforcement officers should also be disarmed. Or hey, maybe they shouldn't exist at all. Yeah, out of hundreds of thousands of permit holders, one or two might commit crimes. Free societies aren't perfect. But for every ONE instance that Mr. Woods is able to desperately find concerning permit holders, I can find you 50 articles where law enforcement officials commit even more horrible crimes. Interesting how Mr. Woods will never give the full picture. He and Chief Serpas are dishonest at best and outright liars by omission at worst.
chris1974,
You are just as bad. Nothing would suggest that permit holders are causing significant problems...no more than people like you or the police, that is. In fact, we are statistically more law abiding than both.
Facts are so interesting. If only less people willfully ignored them.
But in any case, none of your whining, lying and crying has kept our bills from getting passed so keep it up...We all need a good laugh.
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"False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty... and subject innocent persons to all the vexations that the guilty alone ought to suffer?
Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree."
--Eighteenth-Century Italian Criminologist, Cesare Becaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-071205cops-day2-htmlstory,0,1689283.htmlstory
When off-duty police fire their weapons:
"Hours after Officer Phyllis Clinkscales fatally shot a young man trying to steal her car, Chicago police investigators and commanders ruled the shooting justified.
They have stood by that conclusion even as she gave differing accounts of what happened the night she shot 17-year-old Robert Washington in June 2000.
They stood by her even though all four of the gunshot wounds were on the back right side of Washington's head and neck, including a "muzzle imprint" that suggested the gun barrel had been pressed against his skin.
They stood by her even after the department's civilian oversight agency found her account didn't square with the autopsy on Washington and initially recommended she be fired."
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/police_roselle_cop_fired_at_li.html
"Police: Roselle cop fired at Linden man accidentally"
Remember Police, fingers off the trigger unless you are actively firing at a target.
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2009/02/10/news/sc_times_trib.20090210.a.pg3.tt10shooting_s1.2291319_top7.txt
"Lt. Leonard Namiotka, an 18-year department veteran and head of the city’s crime prevention unit, was allegedly showing his weapon to supermarket owner John Brunetti at the rear of Brunetti’s Shur-Save Super Market, 441 N. Main Ave., at 4:20 p.m. when the gun discharged, striking the off-duty officer in the hand with a .40-caliber round."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/05/texas.police.seizures/index.html
"The police officer would say things to me like, 'Your son is going to child protective services because you are not saying what we need to hear,' " Busbee said.
Guillory, who practices in nearby Nacogdoches, Texas, estimates authorities in Tenaha seized $3 million between 2006 and 2008, and in about 150 cases -- virtually all of which involved African-American or Latino motorists -- the seizures were improper."
No Emmett, you're wrong. You guys have changed my mind with all this crazy gibberish.
"chris1974,
You are just as bad. Nothing would suggest that permit holders are causing significant problems...no more than people like you or the police, that is. In fact, we are statistically more law abiding than both.
Facts are so interesting. If only less people willfully ignored them."
The fact that I'm a cowardly retard notwithstanding, you didn't post any "facts." You posted your opinions. They are different, my friend. I have no idea who is "statistically more law abiding" but I do know that we need police, even if some do really bad things. We don't need armed vigilantes roaming around in the parks. And I'm glad you are more law abiding than I am. I wasn't aware that you knew me or that I'm committing crimes that I wasn't aware of. But crimes that are committed by people without guns normally result in people not dying, outside of drunken driving accidents.
So dude, in short, you got weak arguments and need to bring more to the game than that.
"You guys have changed my mind with all this crazy gibberish."
You started it. Neener. Neener.
Before you leave, Swede, can you tell me where to buy a decent Swedish sausage around here?
You talk about me in the writin' part, but you put up a picture of Gomer. That ain't right.
You nutty Americans and your gun control debates.
I know I would rather be in Texas than some state where law abiding citizens are disarmed. I don't need to carry a gun. All that's needed is that criminals know that I might have a concealed carry permit. Makes them think twice about mugging me doesn't? Safer to try and scam me or steal something from an unguarded place.
Although the stats of "Accidental shootings" is low. It only takes 1 INEXPERIENCED GUN HOLDER to panic and draw when the person approaching does not mean any harm. Someone innocent, will get hurt or killed. There should be more POLICE PRESENCE in the parks if that is your concern. Everything else you take a class for, you then get the chance for application. i.e. Cooking, driving, painting, etc.etc.etc. But only 1 OOPS,!!! using a firearm could be deadly. Finally, in the pistol range, in Class, The silhouette "x" feet away won't shoot back. Phil Valentine says in 10+ years, he's never drawn his weapon. When that 5 second split decision makes him draw, will he have the presence of mind, to be FOCUSED ON THE PROPER TARGET ??????
