I played with Kris in the summer of '91 and spent six weeks on a tour bus with him. We were all in the same tour bus. Kris would stay up till 4 in the morning playing poker with all the guys, all of them smoking except for Kris. Yes, smoking. In a bus. That was nice. We did probably 30 or 40 dates. The gigs were always great because you'd have the Smothers Brothers and people like that show up. Everywhere we played. We had dinner with Bill Gates, because he hired us to play at the Microsoft compound. Jerry Wexler took us out to dinner one night. It was amazing, a hell of a gig. At that time I was playing harmonica on the gig. Kris wanted to learn how to play harmonica so he asked me if I'd come over and show him how. I took my friend, Rev. Will D. Campbell [a civil rights activist and author of Brother to a Dragonfly], to The Belcourt when Kris was playing there solo, probably about five years ago. Will and Kris had become good friends because Kris' apartment was above Will's office on Music Row many years ago. They made it known that they wanted Will to come to the show, so I thought, "This is perfect! My buddy Kris, my ol' pal Kris, and I'll take Will." And they got us really good seats. Kris did a shout-out to Will at one point in the show and talked about his book. So Will and I went backstage afterwards and hung around with Kris. I stood there for a while, and I waited for my opportunity to say hi to Kris. At one point I stuck my hand out and said, "Kris, it's so good to see you again," and he looked at me like the cow looking at the new gate. I said something like, "Kris! It's Steve Conn. Remember? We toured together." I'm not sure what I said after that. I stumbled so much, I was so flabbergasted that he didn't remember, that I'm not sure exactly what I said. I have low enough self-esteem to believe that I could be that close to someone and have them completely forget about me, but it still seems like a bit of a stretch. And unlike Albert King, who called me "Piano Man," Kris did know my name. I don't want to insult him, because I respect him as much as I respect anybody. I mean, he's one of the smartest guys I've ever met. I mean his ability to focus was amazing. We'd go run, and I could maybe go for a half-hour, and he'd run in the noon-day sun for two solid hours. And hell, I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
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Toby Keith is just a big baby & a spoiled brat.
A few years ago at an awards show he got pissed that he wasn't "GIVEN" an award he "THOUGHT" he should have gotten---
so what's he do? He runs away and SULKS in the bar whining---and in the meantime they awarded him Entertainer of the Year---but he wasn't there to accept cuz he was being a spoiled little whiner baby in the bar!
I'm so sick of Toby Keith and his FAKE "tough-guy" ACT; I'd love to get him in a boxing ring and punch that fat ugly face of his .... but he's a coward and would never get in the ring!
He did everything he knew to get out of serving in the Armed Forces, and now he takes advantage OF our armed forces servicemen just to sell records and make money.
Toby Keith makes all of Country Music look like trailer trash and should shut his big mouth!
I have no problem with anyone reporting anything, and I also have no problem with Toby defending what he considered to be a direct lie and an insult to him. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press also include possible consequences for your words.
TRISTAN: you shouldn't go around spouting crap when you don't know what you're talking about. When Toby left that award show, he wasn't sulking in a bar. He was on Willie's bus writing a song with him. He didn't think he would win the award anyway, so he left. I sure would love to see you and Toby in the ring together! LOL!!!! I'd pay lots to see that. What exactly was it that he did to "get out of the service"??? There was no war going on when he was of age to join the military, and no draft. He was too old to join when this war started. If you think he's taking advantage of the military, ask them why they buy out his CD's when he's there, and why he continues to get awards from the different branches of the military, and from the USO! And, why he gives out free tickets to his concerts to military members, and at the end of every concert has them come up on the stage with him? And why he goes to the military hospitals to visit them! When was the last time you did?
Maybe we Toby Keith fans don't understand the meaning of "journalism" and "lies" but we certainly know the meaning of "right" and "wrong". I don't see Toby hiding behind the "dissection" of the meanings of words as you seem want to do, but instead Toby gets to the heart of the matter.
Had Peter Cooper merely reported that Ethan Hawke wrote a story in Rolling Stone that ALLEGED that this story happened, as Peter had no knowledge of its validity, I don't think anyone would have questioned his journalism. Adding in "Moby Teeth" and "How Do You Like Me Now?" he crossed from "reporter" to "commentator" and at that point he needed to make certain he knew what he was talking about.
When he responded to Toby that his additions of Moby Teeth and the others to his article, were his way of letting the public know that Peter thought it was funny that Ethan Hawke made such a run around actually naming Toby in the article, it sounded like a lame back down from his printed words.
Had Peter only wanted to comment on how strange it was that Ethan Hawke didn't name Toby, he needed to do so more clearly. Instead he added fuel to the fire. That's journalism?
Linda: I WAS in the Marines for 6 years--Keith WASN"T and he avoided the draft REPEATEDLY.
Now smartass Linda: were YOU ever in the Service, and/or have you EVER served your Country in any way??? I thought not BIG MOUTH---another Big Mouth just like MOBY TEETH.
Keith is nothing but HOT AIR and anything to sell his stupid immature records.It takes great "GENIUS" to write:"We'll stick a boot up your ass" ......... That seems to be what Lovely Linda would like to be teaching her children though!
I guarantee Toby Dick wouldn't last half the forst round in the ring with me Linda! He's a big wussy and hot air!
And that story in Rolling Stone is 100% accurate; Kristofferson DID say all that shit to Keith and Keith shut his fat ugly mouth and ran away~!
(Oh, and by the way Ms. Linda "know-it-all"---he wasn't "on a bus with Willie Nelson" ---he WAS IN THE HOTEL BAR DRINKING WITH NELSON YOU ASS! Where did you make up THAT LIE, that he was "on the bus" ----and even IF he was---which he WASN't---since many saw him in the bar getting shit-faced with Nelson---why WASN'T he in the Awards when they called him for Entertainer of the Year---TOO GOOD TO BE IN THERE WITH THE REST OF REAL COUNTRY MUSIC??? No wonder Nashville can't stand his pouty whiny lying ass!
Tristin, prove to us you were in the Marine Corp! Prove Toby avoided the draft! I am the same age as Toby and I never was drafted, nobody our age was! How do you dodge something that was not even in effect! Tristan, I wonder why anyone would spend 6 years in the Corp, why not a career, did things get a little rough so you got out? I laugh at your stupid comments, you have no idea why Toby didn't accept his award, what did someone tell you he was in a bar and of course you beieved it!!! Better hurry another copy of the National Enquire is hitting the newstand as you speak! Thank God you are OUT of the Corp, who needs jerks like you in the military!
I was in Afghanistan twice and Iraq twice also before I got shot in the arm and got a medical discharge.
BABY (i mean bahbee!)---were YOU ever in the Armed Forces? I doubt it.
Most of us that were, and were in combat, don't need to babble like a bahbee!
Yep--the whole picture fits: an a-hole like bahbee makes fun of someone that really WAS in the service and got wounded serving his country---but sticks up for a faggot like Toby Keith! Yep---typical leftist liberal!
Think Moby Teeth got so angry because Cooper's remarks made Teeth feel he was compared to a WHALE....which he IS ....????
Poor Moby the Dick ....he just can't get any "respect"; Guess he's too immature to realize he has to EARN respect ........
His "Handlers" definitely should learn to stop him from putting bothhis big feet in his mouth!
Every time Moby opens his mouth he creates a "hostile situation" ---wonder WHY ...????
Wow! Lots of nastiness over a Country singer's defense of himself over an inaccurate story. Why? I've tried to NOT be confrontational in my post, please read it as honest communication.
Tristan, justifiably, you got very angry when someone questioned your service to our country. You didn't like something that wasn't true written about you. Apparently you and Toby have that in common. You know first hand how it feels to have a lie printed about you and this is only a very small blog, not a national publication.
I wonder, were you at the bar during the awards show when he was "whining and getting sh*t-faced"? Forget what Toby has said about it, that isn't the recounting that Willie Nelson has given on that evening's goings on.
I do have to question your guarantee that the Rolling Stone story is 100% correct as the three parties involved (Toby, Wille & Kris) have spoken out and have gone on the record as saying either it didn't happen (Willie & Toby) or from Kris, "I don't recall speaking that harshly to anyone least of all Toby Keith for whom I have respect and admiration". See that last part, "respect and admire"...from Kris Kristofferson....about Toby Keith.
I believe that Toby will be fine no matter what you or I believe about Peter Cooper or Toby Keith.
But you gotta give that Toby couldn't have dodged a draft that didn't exist! ;)
I do have a beef with Mr. Silverman. Your opening statement in this blog seemed quite condescending to Toby's fans to me. I like Annie's comment...we may not know "journalism" or "lies" but we know "right" and wrong"!
This story and how it has been handled is WRONG! Why not a simple "I'm sorry. I screwed up." instead of more "clever bantering" to try to save face. That tact has backfired badly.
TRISTAN ,
You have to be the most DISREPECTFUL Military person I have ever read anything from.
Thank goodness I don't have to hear it from your lips.
I work with the public everyday and have dealt with personnel from the Marnies , Navy , Army , Air Force , National Guard , and of them all, never have I encountered one with such disrespect as you have shown here.
You sure don't live up to the fine reputation of any of the ones I have had the pleasure of meeting.
I have never had to serve myself but I never fell to Thank the ones who have, ever chance I get.
I have saw grown men brought to tears from my heart felt Thank you. So I can just imagine how much more they appreciate what Toby does for them.
I have also saw them upset in different circumstances and NEVER , not once have I ever saw them talk the way you have to people here.
As for Toby himslef , it almost seems as if you have some personal grudge against him which is fine , but don't think anyone who knows him just a little better than you is going to ever believe the things you have to say about him.
I find it strange that out of possibly thousands of Military men and women that really like and appreciate Toby for all he does , you seem so bitter.
Also as others have stated , Toby never had a reason to dodge the draft because it wasn't required , and he wasn't the only one not to enlist , so I guess that means you see all who didn't the same as you see him.
I truly feel sorry for you if you are this bitter toward all of us , because there are so many more important things you could be focusing your attention on to really help others.
Say what you will about me , because I figure you will get all fired up about this to , which is your right , but it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other ,thankfully I don't have to put up with you day after day to worry about it.
I think, Kristofferson was a Rhodes Scholar and a Marine.
Toby who, I think, is 47 could not have been drafted, but he wasn't too old to join. He might have some physical incapacity. The service got very selective about who signed up during the time that he might have enlisted.
Toby, as I understand it, did not go to college. He worked in the "oilpatch" because his father was a bigwig.
Toby says that he is a democrat because the uneducated in Oklahoma don't know what a "yellow dog democrat" is. To say that he is ignorant is putting it mildly.
If Kristofferson doesn't remember, it's because he has class.
"If Kristofferson doesn't remember, it's because he has class."
Or maybe it's because HE DOESN'T REMEMBER!!!!
Almost all of the marines I served with felt Moby Teeth was simply a spoiled rich brat with a big fat head preying upon the good will of the armed forces simply to SELL MORE RECORDS; please don't think that ALL servicemen are stupid "SHEEP" that believe all the fake-patriotic BULLSHIT assholes like Toby Dick spit out pretending to be patriotic.If he reallyWAS so "patriotic"---why DIDN"T he join the armed forces? (pretty damned easy for him to fly over a few times a year and be treated as a VIP and kept out of "harm's way"...as he rakes in millions and millions of dollars off of all these servicemen!!!!!)
Toby Dick is a dick, and a fake! And a coward.He's all mouth.
I should have said that maybe if Kristofferson says that he doesn't remember, he really doesn't, or maybe he has class. I can't remember him calling attention to himself nor causing controversery. He's a huge talent who passed up other opportunities to sweep floors to get by at first in Nashville.
My memory might not be right, but I think that's the case.
Kristofferson did not become a blowhard once he became famous. He's been in movies with academy award winners. He's a humble guy.
As you could guess, I don't care for Toby, but it doesn't show much class to use low class language. Let's keep it clean.
Perhaps, an Ann Richards' lament would be more appropriate - Poor, Toby, he can't help it. He was born in a place and at a time where knowing any better would have been impossible.
Tristan,
As the wife of a 2-tour, combat Vietnam Veteran, I would suggest you go to the VA and get some help for your serious case of PTSD.
PJ just sounds upset that I criticized the fat coward that she wants to have sex with---Moby Teeth, Toby Dick-the fat , jowly-faced coward who did everything him and his well-off father could think of to get poor scared Toby away from having to serve in the military!
----and I bet her patriotic husband that only served TWO tours in the sandbox, left her for a REAL WOMAN........
Usually, I've found,women that like Moby Teeth, have very very poor self-esteem and like to be beaten.....
No Self-Respecting Woman would stick up for a misogynist ass like Toby Dick, who thinks women should just shut-up and "sing" ....right ...????
As the article title states: Why shoot the Messenger? Cooper didn't say SHIT! Why the hell doesn't Big Fat-Mouth Keith ask Ethan Hawke about the STATEMENTS, instead og again, getting drunk & nasty and then taking out his misplaced anger at some journalist that just reported the facts of the original story and put a little humor into it to boot??? Poor little Toby; such an immature child---who has NO sense of humor at ALL ...especially when he gets drunk and nasty, which seems to be all the time lately!
Witless Keith should get together with John Rich, since they BOTH seem to have a serious problem with alcohol and tend to get nasty & beliggerent when they get drunk!
Tristan,
The only people who know what did or didn't happen at that party are those who were in attendance. I'm pretty certain none of us posting, including you, attended.
I enjoy Toby's music, but certainly do not "have very very poor self-esteem" nor would I "like to be beaten".
I want to thank you for your service to this country.
Actually "ANONYMOUS", I was there and heard Kristofferson say exactly what Ethan Hawke said he said, and Big-Mouth Moby Teeth backed down like a little BABY that he is.
Your more than welcome for my tours of duty, but I didn't do it just for YOu; I did it so we can all live in a country like America where people like Ethan Hawke & Peter Cooper don't have to worry about some big baby asshole like MOBY TEETH spouting off his drunk mouth and lying without having to pay the consequences. This is NOT IRAQ, or IRAN, or North Korea, or Communist China---- this is the United States of America, and thousands and thousands of brave , honorable servicemen that gave up their LIVES in the service of their great Country didn't die in vain just for some immature drunk liar coward like TOBY KEITH to go off on some deranged drunken temper tantrum because he didn't win an "award" he "thought he should have"!
Toby the Drunk Dick should be ashamed of himself; is THIS what we want for "ROLE MODELS" for our children? Drunks and liars and brats like Moby Teeth and John Rich ...????
Moby Teeth is reacting the way most gays do when they are outed: with childish anger and rage.
Very typical of an emotionally maladjusted gay guy.
Moby Teeth needs to shut his fat ugly mouth and just sing---which he can't do well either!
Look at Superstars like Grorge Strait and Alan Jackson, who CAN sing, and who actually have INTELLIGENT lyrics too---and do you hear THEM talking about "PUTTING A BOOT UP SOMEONE'S ASS" ....?????? NO.
They don't NEED to talk shit like Moby Dick. They just do what needs to be done and are real MEN about it---not little whining crybabies like MOBY TEETH!
GROW UP tk....then MAYBE PEOPLE will RESPECT YOU; --BUT KEEP MAKING TROUBLE AND LOOKING FOR ARGUMENTS AND FIGHTS ---
AND ALL YOU'RE GONNA BE IS THE POOR WHITE TRAILER TRASH YOU LOOK LIKE NOW!
WHAT A BIG FAT BABY.
Tristan,
First of all, I have nothing but the highest regard for every single one of our soldiers who risk their life everyday so that maybe, just maybe, we can live in a country where we are free to make our own decisions and where we can raise our children without the fear of another unfortunate event like 9/11 shattering their innocence. Thinking back to that tragedy, I'm almost certain that every single one of us reacted in a different way that day. While all of us were shaken, upset, and terrified, some of us grew angry at the thought that those who did this to our nation thought that they could get away with it. Songwriters and singers across America did their part to try to unite our country in spirit for the long fight ahead of us and to help our nation overcome its grief. You may not agree with Toby Keith's choice of lyrics, but millions of others in our nation may disagree with you. That song lit a fire inside of millions with a vow that justice will prevail. And for the record, Toby Keith did not want to release that song for cd. He wrote it a week after 9/11 with the intention of singing it only to raise morale of troops during his USO tours. However, when performing for the Pentagon brass in Washington, it was a Marine Corp commandant that came up to Keith and told him this country needed him to release that song. Thousands of troops echoed that statement - that is why he chose to release it. I understand that you do not think very highly of Toby Keith at all, and that is fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions. But I don't understand how you feel it is your right to slander and disrespect another U.S. citizen. Whatever happened to the attitude of "United We Stand"?
1)I'm not "slandering another US citizen"---I'm callin' a spade a spade:
TOBY KEITH is a big spoiled BRAT BABY--and a very short-tempered ignorant one with anger-management ISSUES that his own PR Handlers have publicly stated.
2)as far as "disrespecting" an assholke like him that comes out and in an angry POUTING SULKING RAGE in a press room filled with music industry press professionals starts ranting and raving like a 6 year old child ---- sorry but you have NO CLUE what "RESPECT" really is, as Moby Dick doesn't either.
3)UNITED WE STAND ---yes--as far as the "enemy" goes----and if you bothered to READ the rest of the blog you's see I served in the USMC and did FOUR tours of duty in the Sandbox; don't you dARE preach to me about UNITED WE STAND you soft little pampered jerk! When you go over and live there in the sand and heat for a few years, get back to me and you & I will have a nice little chat, ok ?????
4)the troops stationed in the Sandbox are not as STUPID as many think they are, and most see through Moby Dick's weak fake ATTEMPT at "patriotism" for the callous crass materialistic sham that it is; which is exactly what Kristofferson got in his face for and brought him up for!
5)don't talk about shit you don't know about!
anything else you'd like to discuss "ANONYMOUS" ..? (I love when little pussies don't even have the balls to use their own name or even bother to MAKE UP ONE---ANONYMOUS ???????? Typical left-wing liberal asshole shit!
Keep hiding behing that keyboard ANONYMOUS!
In the meantime the REAL MEN in uniform WILL go over to the Sandbox and make sure you can stay back here and hide behind that keyboard!
I'm a widow of an Vietnam Veteran who died from his service-connected disability and Mother of an Active Duty Corporal ... he served in Iraq and will probably be "Back in the Sandbox" much sooner than we would like. But I digress ... my husband & son both said they enjoyed the USO shows. If an entertainer SERVED in the Armed Forces was not the issue ... the fact they took THEIR TIME to entertain the troops helped morale, whether you're a fan or not. It sounds like you have issues beyond Mr. Keith and what he did or did not say, Thanks for serving our country but you should check with the nearest VA facility and get something to CHILL you out. Life is WAY TO SHORT ... weg278
P.S. I think Kristofferson was in the Air Force & being from the 1960's generation ... we all have some memory loss ... it goes with the era.
No-Kristofferson said he was an Army Ranger.
And so Ilene , whose dead husband died after having served in our Country's Armed Forces so that we can have freedom of speech, thinks that I should get some kind of "treatment" from the "VA" & "Chill" because she doesn't "AGREE" with something I SAID ...???
That's very nice how she dishonors her dead husband's military service and the thousands of other servicemen that gave their LIVES so that we CAN have different OPINIONS and SAY THEM...........
I'm not backing off one bit here ILENE ---Toby Keith is a low-class spoiled brat that has USED American Servicemen to get RICH, and even if he is paying for these USO tours himself (which I seriouly doubt; some record company/PR Group is doing the funding....if you actually do the research and investigate!) and these trips are just crass commercial attempts for MOBY DICK to hide behind the FLAG and make money.
When MOBY DICK can write & sing a song as well written and beuatifully sung as Sissy's Song by Alan Jackson ----I will retract evertyhing I've said about him and lick his boots.But I guarantee THAT will never happen: Moby Dick can only write BS angry immature RANTS and has no VOICE.
BUT--MOBY DICK definitely appeals to the millions of trailer trash with IQ's under 70 that do buy his music.
I didn't dishonor MY dead husband's military service or the thousands of other servicemen that gave their LIVES so that we CAN have different OPINIONS.
My DEAD HUSBAND died from HIS 100% service connected disability so I've dealt with the Army and VA Medical System for YEARS. I have a concern for ALL VETERANS and truly sorry you took exception ... mea culpa.
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A TASTE THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW....Unknown Marine, Korea
YEP --YOU ARE DISHONORING YOUR HUSBAND'S MILITARY SERVICE TO DEFEND OUR ABILITY TO VOICE OUR THOUGHTS------
WHICH IF LEFT UP TO PEOPLE WITH YOUR LIMITED INTELLECT, WE'D ONLY BE ALLOWED TO VOICE OUR OPINION AS LONG AS IT AGREED WITH YOURS---------
WHICH IS WHY YOU ARE SO IMMATURE AND CHILDISH (exactly like moby teeth---wow---what a SURPRISE---NOT!!!) ----- that you feel the need to come in here and insult and flame and bash any that don't think just like YOU...!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU INSULT AND SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF THE THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEN THAT DIED SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION HERE IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH . ITS' LEFTISTS AND FASCISTS LIKE YOU THAT ARE RUINING OUT GREAT UNITED STATES; YOU SHOULD MOVE TO IRAN OR IRAQ WHERE YOU'D FIT RIGHT IN!
Tristan:
I suspect that your week in the Marine Corps was spent crying in the toilet stall because the big bad DI yelled at you. As far as the DRAFT goes, there hasn't been a draft since Toby Keith was in elementary school, you libtard!
Tristian … Obviously you are unable to understand “mea culpa” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa). Is your ONLY entertainment flaming online and casting aspersion on others? I’m appalled a former MARINE would write such INSOLENT crap as:
… she dishonors her dead husband's military service and the thousands of other servicemen that gave their LIVES so that we CAN have different OPINIONS and SAY THEM...........
“definitely appeals to the millions of trailer trash with IQ's under 70 that do buy his music “
… YOU INSULT AND SPIT ON THE GRAVES OF THE THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN SERVICEMEN THAT DIED.
YEP --YOU ARE DISHONORING YOUR HUSBAND'S MILITARY SERVICE TO DEFEND OUR ABILITY TO VOICE OUR THOUGHTS------
WHICH IF LEFT UP TO PEOPLE WITH YOUR LIMITED INTELLECT, WE'D ONLY BE ALLOWED TO VOICE OUR OPINION AS LONG AS IT AGREED WITH YOURS
ITS' LEFTISTS AND FASCISTS LIKE YOU THAT ARE RUINING OUT GREAT UNITED STATES; YOU SHOULD MOVE TO IRAN OR IRAQ WHERE YOU'D FIT RIGHT IN!
Who are you to judge me? I never AGREEDED or DISAGREED with you. I said, “If an entertainer SERVED in the Armed Forces was not the issue ... the fact they took THEIR TIME to entertain the troops helped morale, whether you're a fan or not.” This is MY opinion.
If you REALLY were “in the Marines for 6 years” or even if you are just a wannabe, try and remember:
Once the title "U.S. Marine" has been earned, it is retained. The core values of Honor, Courage and Commitment influence everything a Marine does, on and off the battlefield. A Marine is, above all else, a Marine. As part of the world's most elite fighting force, a Marine is primarily a warrior, skilled in the art of warfare. Still, Marines hold themselves to the highest Corps standards NO MATTER WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
Review the above and stop disgracing the USMC and yourself with the nasty remarks and name-calling, it’s unnecessary.
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Not being a big fan of Mr Keith's I'll just say this. Even the pilots that fly into Iraq or Afghistan will tell you; each flight is a harrowing experience. It's more a drop than a landing, to avoid possible enemy anti-aircraft fire. ANY going into this environment to entertain the troops, and I don't care what thier "motive" gets a hats off from me. For the troops that *were* entertained, opinions of those who dislike the entertainer are minor. Kristopherson was a helicopter pilot in Viet Nam. Whether he respects Keith's actions or not, he respects the troops enough to SHOW respect for the efforts an "entertainer" for whatever reason performs. It is RARE any entertainer in the Hollywood or Nashville environment will "diss" another. To hear any, all are just wonderful, beautiful people.
All entertainers use whatever edge is at their disposal to promote their product. I reference it as Moses coming down from the Mount. Most are usually only seen by the paparazzi until they have a product to promo, then they are on every show they can get on, sell thier wares and back into hiding.
SO, sorry Toby, not a big fan, but my hat's off to you for the troops who are.
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