Thursday, March 26, 2009
Crazy Crap / Hannan Pro-Life Wacko Says Montana Plane Crash Tragedy the Product of a Vengeful God
Posted by Caleb Hannan on Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:18 AM
Edmonds' history with Bud Feldkamp, the California businessman who lost two daughters, five grandchildren and two son-in-laws in the crash, dates back to the days when she and other members of Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust used to picket Feldkamp's house.
Via Christian News Wire:
The family who died in the crash near the location of the abortion victim's memorial, is the family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, owner of the largest for-profit abortion chain in the nation...Although Feldkamp is not an abortionist, he reaps profits of blood money from the tens of thousands of babies that are killed through abortions performed every year at the clinics he owns. His business in the abortion industry was what enabled him to afford the private plane that was carrying his family to their week-long vacation at The Yellowstone Club, a millionaires-only ski resort...We warned him, for his children's sake, to wash his hands of the innocent blood he assisted in spilling because, as Scripture warns, if "you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you". (Ezekiel 35:6)Notice the subtle way Ms. Edmonds flashes her class-warrior I.D. badge while drawing a straight line between owning clinics and losing your entire family. Classy.
I don't want to turn this tragic event into some creepy spiritual 'I told you so' moment (Editor's note: Of course you don't, that'd be unimaginably cruel.)...I only hope and pray that in the face of this tragedy, Feldkamp recognizes his need for repentance and reformation.Ya hear that, Feldkamp? If losing seven family members didn't clue you in already, Ms. Edmonds will gladly phone God--I believe he's No. 3 on her speed-dial--to provide another life-shattering lightning bolt.
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Why don't you ever write about Anti-Life Wackos? Why are you so biased? How can you get away with this, when doing the same thing against others would be considered "hate speech"?
Your articles are lame. You are losing advertisers, too. No wonder.
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The "liberal media" really should refuse to use the phrase "pro-life." These people are, in fact, anti-abortion. "Pro-life" is the term they coined to imply that anyone who disagrees with them is somehow "anti-life." It was only a matter of time before they started actually using that term.
So since they're now saying what's really on their minds, let me join the fray and say what's really on mine. Ted, if this is how your god (deliberate lower-case 'g') operates, then your god is a sick, sadistic bastard, unworthy of being worshiped by anyone with an ounce of humanity and compassion and you're a fool for putting your faith in him. Oh, by the way, I am also opposed to abortion. Surprise!
Why don't you post more of the eerie connections?
7 adults, 7 children.
And you kind of glaze over this:
"But what the news sources fail to mention is that the Catholic Holy Cross Cemetery owned by Resurrection Cemetery Association in Butte - contains a memorial for local residents to pray the rosary, at the 'Tomb of the Unborn'. This memorial, located a short distance west of the church, was erected as a dedication to all babies who have died because of abortion."
So the owner of the largest abortion chain in California who had made millions off of aborting babies, has his family die in a plane crash on the way to a MILLIONAIRES retreat, and the plane crashes in a CATHOLIC CEMETARY with a TOMB OF THE UNBORN.
Go listen to some Alanis Morisette....
His business in the abortion industry was what enabled him to afford the private plane
Actually, wrong. From what it seems he was already wealthy from the healthcare industry before even getting involved in family planning clinics. I'm guessing he probably already had the plane.
So no, this woman is just an asshole, trying to score political points off of someone else's tragedy.
Why don't you ever write about Anti-Life Wackos?
Get back to me when a pro-choice activist bombs a conservative church or shoots a priest.
Scott, be careful here. You're right, our God has no humanity because he is divine. He did send his son who is human AND God to pay the price for all our sins. Lots of irony here. The victims of the crash were innocent as the victims of abortion are innocent. The victims are with God now and would not return if they could. We all have the opportunity to turn from our sin and accept Jesus Christ who paid the price for ALL sin.
What is "wacko" about being pro-life? Or - what is "wacko" about being against abortion.
Caleb Hannan is a fetus that was not aborted. Caleb Hannan is a fetus that emerged from the womb, was given a name by its originators (parents), grew, learned to type, landed a job and wrote an article shown above. Pretty talented fetus, huh?
Some fetuses get aborted - some don't. Some fetuses are aborted while still in the womb and some after they emerge. 14 fetuses were aborted in an accidental way via a plane crash. Should ANYONE be sad over the death of these 14 fetuses? It's too bad some fetuses became emotionally attached to the 14 fetuses that were accidentally aborted in the plane crash. That can happen when a fetus is allowed to emerge from the womb - fetuses already outside the womb can get attached to the newly-emerged fetus.
It is amazing how wealthy and successful the "un-viable tissue mass" named Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp became after the un-viable tissue mass was allowed to emerge from the womb and allowed to grow larger.
It is interesting how an un-viable tissue mass / fetus can emerge, grow and start a large highly profitable business removing un-viable tissue masses just like itself before they emerge from the chambers in which they originate, just like the chamber in which it originated.
Steven Wright said in one of his comedy bits, "I had a dream that one day all the aborted babies just showed up.....and they were maaaaad!"
HL
There is no god, but its fun to watch you half-wits argue with each other.
Killing babies is fine. Why not stomp a kitten on your way to the recycling center. There's no consequence. The universe is neither good nor evil and it certainly doesn't five a shit about a few unborn monkeys on a speck of dust.
HL, your horrible misuse of semibiological terms might seem clever to you but its really quite daft and you are clearly not very intelligent. But by all means enlighten us some more.
Some people as Ms. Edmonds seem simply to enjoy seeing other people tormented who don't meet her agenda.
What she appears not to understand is that God still loves this man and her job is to help bring him into the light through the example of Christ love.
Wake up Gingi!
I'm sure this man will spend many years trying to find meaning out of this tragedy on his own.
Galatians 6:7: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican
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You left out the part about how the plane crashed into a Catholic cemetary where there is Tomb of the Unborn for all the victims of the abortion genocide.
About 25% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort: what is God saying there and why?
I shouldn't even be bothering, but genocide only refers to a group of people ethnically, politically, or culturally related. They should also be viable humans, but this particular nitpick is semantic, not political.
I'm sure hell is overbooked by people who hate on other's personal tragedies. It is the most ungodlike thing to do by people who profess to be godlike or aspire to what they say is a loving god.
Interesting that so many respondents refer to a pro-life (anti-abortion) position as one of "hate", while accepting the pro-choice (pro-abortion)position as "reasonable and acceptable". Every year thousands of unborn children are destroyed for the sake of convenience . . . as a method of birth control. Certainly the plane crash and the resulting deaths of fourteen people was a tragedy. Even more certainly the legal execution of thousands of innocent children is a tragedy. Which is more hateful, regardless of whether you believe in God or not? Decide for yourself, but be honest about it.
Look,
I knew some of these families. They were the kindest, most caring, generous, hard working, God fearing people I know.
The alleged business dealings of the aircraft owner should have no bearing on the fact that three great families lost their lives in this tragic accident.
Please... Try to have some respect for some good people that have lost their lives.
1. Edmonds says that she hopes the tragedy will open Feldkamp's eyes and inspire his conversion. When we learn of the sudden death of anyone, it should be a reminder that He comes "as a thief in the night."
2. We are not to judge others' souls: that includes saying "They were good people, and they're in God's hands."
3. However, there is definitely a lot of symbolism in this event.
God is not, in the anthropomorphic sense, "vengeful." Satan is. But when we separate ourselves from God in sin, we cannot expect His protection. There comes a time when God says, "Fine. You want life without Me? See what it's like."
That is God's "punishment": allowing us to go off as we wish, separating ourselves from His Providence and making ourselves easy prey to the Enemy.
4. Providence works many ways. God shows His Will through signs and "coincidences" all the time. Sometimes, they come in the form of a mission or a message of approval; sometimes the message is one of disapproval.
The plane could have crashed anywhere. That it crashed where it did is providential. That doesn't mean that a "cruel God" killed those people (first of all, it is total nonsense for us to apply the human term "cruel" to God; God is God; He can do whatever He wants, regardless of what we think of it). It just means that God chose the time and place for their deaths, perhaps, to send a message.
In the end, what does death matter? It is *murder* that matters. It's violation of the Natural Law--which destroys the fabric of Nature itself--that matters. Human life itself is frail and fleeting, and we're all gonna die sometime.
With all do respect, this is a VERY biased article. I understand the concept of free speech but does that include calling the other side "Pro-life wacko's?!" What is wacko about the sanctity of human life? I believe the only "Wacko" here is the writer.
Perhaps we should all remember that God IS LOVE. Death is never a part of his plan. Somehow saying this death is what God wanted is ridiculous. God grieves for this death in the same way he grieves for the deaths of children who have been aborted, military men dying in Iraq & Afghanistan, innocent children gunned down in gang violence, etc. I'm sorry, but by trying to connect someone's pro-choice views with a plane crash is wacko. In the same way, saying someone wins the lottery because they are pro-life would be equally as wacko. It's a tragedy. Tragedies happen. God is still good. To both people who are pro-life and pro-choice. Perhaps we should be too, if we are His followers.
Wow...this story sent a chill down my spineless spine.
Merely coincidental...I don't think so.
Never rejoice in the death of children. They are harmless, joyful and innocent. No one can be held liable or responsible for another's actions. That's how I see it. I have children, and understand how horrible this accident was.
One thing I do know, life has a way of coming around and biting you for the way you have lived.
First of all, death is inevitable to all of us. All of us, like this family, will eventually wind up in the grave. It is going to happen. The innocent children in this crash, we can safely assume, are not villains, nor is the article making the claim that they are. The children in this crash, not reaching the age of reason have no rational influence on their relatives' profitable abortion business.
The fact is we just don't know if it was God's act of vengeance. We are all going to die. Does that mean God is acting out his vengeance on all of us? On the other hand, the placement of the plane in a cemetery with a 'Tomb for the Unborn' killing an entire family of the largest private abortion business in the country is - you must admit - a bit chilling.
God may not have killed in 'retribution' but the timing and placement of the deaths may be His message to us. Perhaps we should contemplate what abortion really is and who it targets - more innocent children.
Abortion clinics? Every article I have read before this one has said he owned a string of dental clinics.
I have to admit that the unexplained late change to fly to Butte coupled with the odd flight path that took the plane above the graveyard which is not on any normal approach pattern to any of the airport's runways is very mysterious.
Get a friggin brain!!! A God that kills children as revenge to unborn is a god I'll take a pass on...send me to hell with those families you ignorant dope. I don't want to be in your heaven, it's probably a strip mall. Try reading a book instead of picketing, maybe learn your times tables.
Caleb if you only knew....why not sit down and interview Gingi and get her true opinion. Where is the fair and balanced reporting you are doing? You can write how you feel, but she can't have passsion for her God and her feelings. Wake up and realize in the end " It all goes back in the box" except for those who have eternal life with our KING!!
Genie in Alabama
Sad for all families invovled , but us believers understand this isn't really our home here....
Jane reading a book is a great idea...why don't you start with The Bible. It might help you better understand our King and you might really enjoy learning about his love for you. It was a tragic accident .....life is so precious, isn't it??? For those of us that want to protect the unborn and share the gospel with those about to abort only want them to build a realationship with God and realize that life on earth here is temporary.........I use to think heaven was a strip mall . but thank GOD that he found me and now I could kick myself for being so arrogant, prideful and bitter to God's awesome love for me. A sad day for all families........LIFE IS PRECIOUS and the gift from our SAVIOUR!!! Get on Board and quit fighting God ...Satan is fighting for your soul , but GOD gives so much more.
Hell is SO MUCH better than heaven! We've got an open bar, foosball, pool tables, and aborted babies get half-price drinks ALWAYS!
You see, they don't get baptised so they all come here. But it's cool. Heaven is very lame and nobody wants to hang out with the God-wads anyway.
Natural Selection RULES! My evil plan (which I hatched with the help of Satan and a time-traveling John Malcovich) is going swimmingly. Thank goodness the federal laws permitting abortion will never be struck down thanks to our successful installation of the Anti-Christ in the oval office!
Actually I mostly hang out in hell too. My son and I don't get along that well since he started that stupid cult, and I've pretty much let Joel Osteen take the reins in that department. The Holy Ghost just runs around with a sheet over his head all the time too, which is annoying as hell.
I prefer the relative confort of my favorite sportsbar in Hell where I can watch the Steelers with Satan (we get along just fine) and cuss. Aborted Babies? They've got a great ultimate frisbee league down here, you guys should come check it out.
burrito:
I appreciate you responding to the post that I posted on Thursday, Mar. 26 2009 @ 11:02AM.
In response to your comments where you said:
HL, your horrible misuse of semibiological terms might seem clever to you but its really quite daft and you are clearly not very intelligent. But by all means enlighten us some more.
1. Can you show me how I misused semibiological terms?
2. If you can show me how I misused them then show me where it is daft.
3. Please show me where I'm not being very intelligent.
4. Please show me how I could have changed my comments to be more intelligent.
Your comments towards me and my post are just comments - they don't show me how I can improve myself and my reasoning / thought process.
It would be helpful for you to enlighten me more regarding what you think of my post.
Is it true that certain items that grow inside a particular location ARE refered to as "unviable tissue masses"?
Is it true that there is an industry or at least several places of business that specializing in the removal of those items?
Is it true that those unviable tissue masses, if left alone do infact grow bigger?
Is it true that when those unviable tissue masses grow for about nine months that they eventually emerge from the location where they were growing?
Is is true that after those unviable tissue masses emerge that they continue to grow bigger assuming they are given nourishment?
Please let me know if any of the above questions are true.
As far as I can see - this planet is filled with unviable tissue masses that were allowed to continue growing larger, were allowed to emerge from the growth chambers they were in and allowed to grow larger by being nourished while outside of the chamber in which they originated.
HL
Really I have no idea as to your intelligence level, HR. I simply enjoy antagonization, and you were an easy target. Let's begin.
1. Yes.
2. What does that sentance even mean?!
3. See #2.
4. Not sure how you could make the comments more intelligent. Perhaps a simple "Yeah that was a pretty crappy thing to say" or "It IS god's wrath" or "I love/hate abortion" would have, you know, established a point or something.
Instead, you prattle on about 'unviable tissue masses' leaving 'chambers' and growing bigger, presumably ex utero. Here's a simple biological fact: If a tissue mass is unviable, it will not, in fact, survive. I'd like to think you understand this point and you're really just attempting to make some kind of statement about the human race in general (in which case I'd be inclined to agree). But then you go on and on, accusing Mr. Feldkamp (poor guy) of being an unviable tissue mass. Well the simple fact is that he's alive and well, so viability has long been established there.
Then it dawned on me. You're just another one of those assholes who think they can legislate someone else's biological functions! And you people need to be ridiculed, because if you don't even know what an unviable tissue mass really is, then you probably shouldn't be attempting to steer public opinion about it.
SO, onto your conjecture sir!
Is it true that certain items that grow inside a particular location ARE refered to as "unviable tissue masses"?
Yes, though that would insinuate the blastocyst never reached a stage of development beyond early cell cleavage. Certainly it did not develop feelings or consciousness. Otherwise it would be called a 'diseased fetus' or something like that.
Is it true that there is an industry or at least several places of business that specializing in the removal of those items?
They don't specialize. But they do perform the procedure.
Is it true that those unviable tissue masses, if left alone do infact grow bigger?
Sometimes. Often they'll autoabort and the mother will have to go through the agony of carrying/delivering a dead, partially decomposed fetus. Sometimes they're reabsorbed.
Is it true that when those unviable tissue masses grow for about nine months that they eventually emerge from the location where they were growing?
No. An unviable tissue mass won't make it 9 months because it lacked the factors to come to full term in the first place. It may emerge however. One way or another.
Is is true that after those unviable tissue masses emerge that they continue to grow bigger assuming they are given nourishment?
No, dumbass. If they were unviable then they didn't survive gestation in the first place. You might could keep a few cells alive in culture, but the organism never reached viability in the first place. Viable = life & intact organism. Unviable = no intact organism, maybe a few living cells.
See? Your comments = daft!
Burrito,
Thank you. That response was MUCH more useful than your first response.
Is an unviable tissue mass unviable because it would not live in the outside world?
Does an unviable tissue mass have some kind of chance at becoming viable if left alone where it is?
HL
HL, your comment was also daft because you referred to the victims of the plane crash as fetuses. And when does a fetus stop being a fetus? When it exits the womb. So, there's that, too.
Is an unviable tissue mass unviable because it would not live in the outside world?
It is unviable because it wouldn't live long anywhere. Womb, outside world, whatever. That's not to say the cellular componant of said tissue mass wouldn't carry on 'living' as long as it was left in utero. But it would not be an organism, merely an aggregation of cells.
Does an unviable tissue mass have some kind of chance at becoming viable if left alone where it is?
No! In order to be classified as non-viable in the first place, it would have to show some fatal flaw, some reason why it wouldn't survive.
There's some gray area once you surpass the 'non-viable tissue' designation though. There could be a fetus that would survive birth but be badly diseased. Or be perfectly normal but born into a terribe situation. That's where the ethical questions come in and that's out of my range.
I just know that I wouldn't take biological rights AWAY from anyone, even if it means destruction of some perfectly good viable embryos. It's simply not our place to intervene. If you really believe in a vengeful god, then wouldn't you also believe that god would handle the matter in his own way? Why get in the way?
Is an unviable tissue mass unviable because it would not live in the outside world?
It is unviable because it wouldn't live long anywhere. Womb, outside world, whatever.
A fertilized egg is capable of living many months - not 100% of the time but probably 95% of the time it is capable of living many months - sometimes it can live 5 or 6 months and emerge and still live albeit in a place called a NNICU.
So if the fertilized egg, if left alone, can, 95% or more of the time live to 5-6 months and then emerge and continue to live in a NNICU then why do they call the fertilized egg an unviable tissue mass?
HL
People against abortion, the pro-lifers, are not really pro-life. Few pro-lifers are against the death penalty, only against abortion. Yeah right, pro life!?
A Neonatal Intensive Care Unit is a place for premature but viable infants to recieve treatment. They do wonderous things there yes, but those tissue masses were viable. No one should be calling a fertilized egg an unviable tissue mass.
The 95% number is wrong though, especially if you factor in auto-aborts. The average woman has several miscarriages and never even knows it because it happens so early. She might get a slight stomach ache and that's it. I'd venture to say the vast majority of fertilized eggs are still non-viable, because they're never even detected before they're gone.
What I meant was no one should be calling a fertilized egg an unviable tissue mass once its detected and obviously healthy enough to make it to an NICU.
Burrito,
Well I'm glad we had this conversation because it appears we are more on the same page with each other than initially appeared.
HL
Gingi has always been nuts. When I wrote her about yet ANOTHER offensive piece she had written, we ended up having this little e-mail exchange.
http://24yearsexperience.blogspot.com/2009/01/ha-ha-she-called-herself-whore.html
However, after that she bombarded me with -mails, having been deluded into thinking I was calling her (um, hello you write about a touchy subject like abortion and then put your phone number up on the internet-of course people are going to call you! And I'm sure my plastering your number all over my website and craigslist helped you get a few calls too 'ol gingi girl.
Bottom line? Gingi Edmonds (and from what I've read from her sister, father, AND mother too-they're all idiots and none of them ever shut up) is a poor misguided (and possibly facially deformed; it's kind of hard to tell from the picture) "survivor" (ha!) with a black little heart.
People think they have a right to terminate the life of a child, but why must American taxpayers pay for this form of birth control in the US and Mexico? If you don't want the child take it to a hospital or fire station at no cost to tax payers. Why kill the unwanted child when you can give it away?
Caleb writes a post about pro-life wackos and gets 40-plus comments. I write a post about pro-life wackos that goes up a half-hour later and I get two comments! What am I doing wrong? Is Caleb's post that much more controversial (or entertaining) than mine? Don't you people like me? What do I have to do to be the target of vitriolic rage?
Burrito: If there is no God, then there is no point in living and I can see why people like yourself would not care about human life - fetus or an adult life, survival of the fittest and every man for himself. Live life to the fullest, take advantage of others without getting caught, take drugs to experience the highest sensation that you can ever get and have sex with everyone you can get it with to achieve maximum pleasure. Why not? We'll die soon and it'll be lights out. What a tragic view of life. Might as well jump off a building right now and get it over with.
Unviable tissue? There are many documented cases of the doctor having to strangle the fetus to finish the job. Why would a doctor strangle a blob of unviable tissue? Or why would a doctor dismember a blob of unviable tissue? Why would a doctor throw a blob of unviable tisse in a laundry room to die? Ya'll ever see a sonagram? It is not unviable tissue until the doctor finishes his evil job. Who are the haters? If the doctor performs his work out of love, it is for the love of money plain and simple. Wake up people.
I heard a while back that more people had died in the name of Jesus than in the name of Hitler. I’d always wondered if it was true, it seemed perfectly plausible given the persistence and viciousness of the Vatican during the Crusades. Unfortunately, I had found it difficult to find a number of deaths from the Crusades. But, I found in Google Answers, an article that chronicles numerous human conflicts and includes a category for religious conflicts. The numbers are hazy, of course, when we’re speaking about conflicts hundreds or thousands of years ago when death tallies were not a priority or of mild interest like they are today.
In short, eight-hundred to nine million people have died in religious wars. That’s nearly a billion people. Wow. A whole billion for an all loving all knowing god.
Oftentimes, a retort is that secular ideals and Godless Communism have killed many more. It is true that Stalin, among others, slaughtered his own people by the millions during the industrialization of Soviet Russia. By comparison, two-hundred and nine million have died in the name of Communism. Some sixty-two million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler, or the two combined times two.
Funny how pro lifer Christians never want to talk about the murder that took place during the crusades. God doesn't like to bring that up at church I guess. Believe in God or else.
Give me a Break!! We all have a job to do. I don't like my job but it's mine to do. That's why I wear a blind fold.
Feldkamp lost another grandchild about two years ago in a trajic accident. If God is putting His wrath upon Feldkamp, all I can say is I'm glad I'm not related to him.
If you don't like this post I'll take off the blindfold and look for you. I can do that also. I just prefer the random method of collection.
Grim Reaper
Why does everyone link Christianity with pro-life? There are pro-life Hindus, Muslims, Buddists and others. There are professed Christians that are pro-choice. It was a large group of Christian voters that helped elect our president. As far as numbers go, we have killed far more thru abortion than all the wars combined: 40 or 50 million. Christians are sinners and we can't stop the past (Crusades). But we can try to do something about the future. The pro-life movement has not been successfull in changing the law but we will continue the fight and we do have a right to our opinion. There may be a day when we are not allowed to discuss it, but that is not today.
"If there is no God, then there is no point in living..."
So says you, simpleton. And that's pretty pathetic. Can't take responsibility for your own existance? Not my problem.
"and I can see why people like yourself would not care about human life"
Wrong again. I'm a biologist, we're pretty fond of the whole life thing, and though I don't particularly like most people, I am fond of the species.
"survival of the fittest"
Yes - Natural Selection.
"and every man for himself."
No - Altruism.
"Live life to the fullest, take advantage of others without getting caught, take drugs to experience the highest sensation that you can ever get and have sex with everyone you can get it with to achieve maximum pleasure."
I don't need an imaginary friend to have a sense of decency, and I consider myself an honest and thoughtful person. I did some drugs in college but its down to wine & beer now. Love sex but only with my girlfriend.
"We'll die soon and it'll be lights out."
Finally you make some sense.
"Might as well jump off a building right now and get it over with."
Be my guest. I'm rather enjoying this little party and I'm not a bit upset if all that happens after is we cease to exist. Take your puny god and shove it up your ass my friend.
Burrito, congratulations if you've found true happiness in this world. You have a right to your opinion and choice of lifestyle. The pleasure seeking lifestyle doesn't work for most of us. Our God loves you and will accept you with open arms. Yes, his son died for you.
