Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Legislature / Politics / Woods Three Murders Now Pinned on Licensed Gunmen in Tennessee
Posted by Jeff Woods on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:27 AM
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The problem is not that those accused hold a permit. The problem is the person using a weapon unlawfully. Would it make you somehow happier, Mr. Woods, if they didn't have a permit? Would that be more your kind of criminal? If a murderer uses a sword, are they then a sword nut?
You can't take away people's rights because somebody does something stupid, which is really what you're agitating for, isn't it? I'm sorry, but the world is never going to be the perfectly safe little nursery you long for. And I must call to your attention a bit of political incorrectness. They're not gunmen, they're gunpersons.
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I love you gun nuts. For years, you've said licensed gunmen weren't committing any crimes. Turns out, nobody was checking. Now that we are checking, you slice up the baloney a different way. Close those permit records and nobody will be the wiser.
Woods, we are on to you. You post up mindless rants against your own personal hobgoblins which serves the dual purpose of exorcising your inner gun lust AND increasing traffic to this rag.
That's cool, I suppose. Just don't take a look at any real data on the crime rates of CCW holders versus other demographics.
CCW holders versus cops, the public at large, males between the ages of 15-25, doctors, and auto owners ALL have a higher kill rate when compared to CCW holders on a per capita basis.
Why is that? Ok, I understand that cops deal with criminals and a high pressure job. That might begin to explain why they kill more people than CCW holders. Care to discuss any of the other groups?
Yeah, I thought not. Keep up the hoplophobia.
Woods,
I believe the claim wasn't that they weren't committing "any" crimes but that they were generally more law abiding than the general populace. Furthermore, I fail to see how it matters that a person committing some crime has a permit to carry or not. Should we mention it every time someone who doesn't have a permit to carry commits a crime? Or is that not important as it doesn't fit the narrative?
I love how the guy uses a photo of the VT shooter. This article is a fucking joke and is extremely childish. It can basically be read as "I TOLD YOU THOSE GUN NUTS WERE CRAZY, BLOOD RAVAGED SOCIOPATHS. I TOLD, I TOLD YOU, I TOLD YOU!" Hell, I'm surprised this guy didn't resort to Ad hominems.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria
Woods, if you don't like living in a place where it's legal to be armed and defend yourself, maybe you should move to a more "Progressive" place such as DC, Baltimore, Philly or Newark. Oh what's that, their violent crime rates are through the fucking roof? But that's impossible, they're so foward thinking and progressive and have almost out right banned CCLs and armor piercing, nun murdering, evil back assault weapons! How can this be?!
So I suppose we should clamp down on guns like they have in Germany. They do, in fact, have the strictest gun control in Europe. then we'd never have teen gunmen going on shooting rampages in high schools. Oh wait...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/03/11/germany.school.shooting/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Jennifer, lame argument. Germany may have incidents like everywhere else, but their violent crime rate is far lower than ours.
And people, why do you get so bent out of shape when someone opposes guns? Get a grip. I don't own guns but I don't oppose others rights to own them. But the Second Amendment does not prohibit the government from regulating firearms, and even prohibiting certain kinds of firearms. I think all Woods is trying to do here is show that just because someone has a permit doesn't make them all responsible gun owners. In short, it's a free country. Woods, or anyone else, is not advocating, as far as I can tell, rounding up all guns and melting them down. It's never going to happen so just relax.
Extremely interesting to know that licensed gun holders commit gun-related crimes just as unlicensed criminal do. While this may raise the question as to whether licensing has any meaning, it also (as a previous poster noted) shoots holes in the argument of gun-rights advocates who claim that licensees don't commit gun-related crimes.
I've obtained a copy of TN's concealed carry database -- it's about $80 from the Dept. of Safety -- and suggest others do the same before the state prohibits access. That way, when a shooting occurs, you can see if the shooter was licensed, just for fun. :)
