Thursday, February 12, 2009
Law and Order / Legislature / Politics / Woods Handgun Permit Holder Kills Somebody, Police Say
Posted by Jeff Woods on Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:46 AM
Ever since Tennessee enacted what was immediately derided as the "Wild West" handgun permit law, letting supposedly law-abiding citizens go armed just about everywhere, gun nuts and their lapdogs in the legislature have contended that their critics' fears were unfounded. Not one of the tens of thousands of people with handgun permits have ever committed a crime, they have argued. Most recently, Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey went on at great length in this vein, mocking the media for raising questions about the law. It's likely to be expanded this session to allow people to go strapped into saloons and state parks.
Well, proponents of tighter gun laws finally have their Exhibit A. In the Memphis suburb of Cordova, a guy in a Hummer got into an argument with a guy in a Yukon Denali outside an Italian restaurant. One giant SUV was parked too close to the other. So the guy in the Hummer went back to his car, came back with his gun and killed the other guy with a point-blank bullet to the chest, police say.
Ray Coleman, who has owned a state permit to carry a handgun since 2006, is charged with second-degree murder. "While maintaining his innocence," his lawyer says, "he's regretful and sorry that the man lost his life."
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Wow. One case in how many years, 10?
In that same span, how many cops have gone nuts with issued firearms and killed/shot someone (or their dog)? Per capita, I'll take my chances with a carrying citizenry over the fuzz.
Opponents of concealed carry have many arguments. All of them douchetastic.
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Sorry Woods, but one case of a permit holder shooting somebody does not count as a vindication of "wild west" predictions.
The batting average for you and all the rest of the anti-gun nuts remains a perfect zero. None of you have ever been proven right about anything you have ever claimed about guns in your entire lives.
As for your yapping about allowing people to go "strapped into saloons", there are about 30 states that already have laws allowing it and they don't have any "wild west" problems with that either.
The problem is with the person, not the gun. He could have used a tire iron, knife, rock, pointy stick, etc.
Mr. Woods,
Please put down the pipe, step back, and take a math class.
The operative phrase in this whole antigun rant is "...proponents of tighter gun laws finally have their Exhibit A."
One of how many thousands over how many years?
Pa-freakin'-lease!!!
More people have been killed by illegals driving drunk than by permit holder - why don't you run THOSE numbers???
Bias much?
No matter what one person does with a weapon, it is not for another to judge whether I deserve to own mine. It is obvious the hummer owner was just over-compensating anyway...
Left wing fags FTL!
Hmmm, take away the rights of honest law-abiding citizens to carry guns. That sounds like a winner to me. This way any criminal (these are the people that really look down upon laws and things like that) will know the person they are about to rob/mug/beat/rape/give-a-wedgie to will know that person is unarmed and the criminals can easily do whatever they want without fear of getting shot and killed.
It would make more sense to just give everyone a gun, then all the idiots like you would end up shooting yourself because you don't know which end the bullets come out of. And with that our problems would be solved.
It would make more sense to just give everyone a gun..."
This was a comedian's solution to the airline hijackings that took place in the past. Probably less expensive than air marshals.
Well, I guess the Lt. Gov can't say that anymore.
Now he'll have to say that one (1), in the more than 80,000 legal permit holders in TN, committed a crime.
Powerful "Exhibit A" for the anti-gun nuts. Next witness?
The state would like to call 79,999 of them, assuming they can take a break from their "wild west" activities.
Well, I guess the Lt. Gov can't say that anymore.
Now he'll have to say that one (1), in the more than 80,000 legal permit holders in TN, committed a crime.
Powerful "Exhibit A" for the anti-gun nuts. Next witness?
The state would like to call 79,999 of them, assuming they can take a break from their "wild west" activities.
The Nashville Scene seems to be pro-gay and anti-gun. That's as disgusting as it gets.
I agree with Mr. Woods on this. The whole incident could have been prevented, and steps should be taken immediately to prevent this from happening again. The state should outlaw all giant SUVs. This way, people won't park them too close together, and get in arguments resulting in killings. Really, does why does someone need a 4-wheel drive vehicle these days? It is to compensate for something? It'a not like the wild west where we didn't have paved roads. Besides, that's what the department of transportation is there for - only the DOT and the military should have SUVs. Many european countries don't have SUVs and those people are perfectly happy. Dont tell me that it's a people problem and not an SUV problem. I was an SUV owner myself until one night last year my brother ran over himself with it to commit suicide. Now I own a Prius and I feel much safer. If it saves the life of just one child it's worth it.
Actually this is right in line with the real "Wild West". With hundreds and thousands carrying guns all the time, there were very few murders in the "Wild West", that is until they started prohibiting wearing your gun in town.
One example does not prove a principle.
If someone died in an auto accident while wearing a seatbelt would that prove that seatbelts are ineffective vis-a-vis saving lives in a crash?
It seems like my Dad's comment to me (more than once!) rings true.
The only true information printed in a newspaper?
Top of front page, the price!
Plus even that is suspect, they somtimes give them away.
If a CCW holder has to go back to his vehicle to collect a pistol? He just came out of a bar?
And one out of 80,000 in ten years? Sure!
Plus the outcome of the case is what?
Sounds like France, Guilty, till proved innocent.
We do better in Florida, the self defense shootings are up! Seems like the criminals are looseing, a lot. Charges? None.
Too bad this math-challenged "author" hasn't read the results of any prisoner polls. At least 34 of them, in one poll, said that their greatest fear in planning a crime is that the intended victim will prove to be armed. The gist seems to be that a lot of crimes simply don't happen because of that fear.
I also believe that if the author had a child in a gun-free killing zone where some loon opened fire, that he'd be praying that at least one of the students there had a handgun, and would try to stop the shooter. If such an attempt proved successful, he'd kiss the feet of the saviour the rest of his life.
I'd really like to know if anybody in Tennesee keeps statistics on the number of felons illegally carrying a firearm have fired in a road/parking rage incident. If they do, please show them to this writer. Am willing to bet the # is larger than 1.
Does he have any "common sense" ideas as to how to impact felons carrying guns? To hear it from the gun-grabbers, we need more common sense gun control laws which only law-abiding people would obey. Also, why in hell haven't they applied common sense to the 20K+ gun control laws they've managed to burden law-abiding citizens with? The CDC and the American Academy of Science, after exhaustive studies were both unable to discover a single instance where even one of those 20K+ laws has prevented a crime.
Polls range from as low as 600K to 2.5 million times per year Americans use guns to prevent a crime. Just how important is 1 alleged episode -- remember the notion of innocent until proven guilty -- up against numbers like that? Does the author think that the fact violent crime has decreased significantly in every state where "shall-issue" concealed carry permits have become law is important? Less so than this one episode of alleged misconduct?
I used to believe columnists were intelligent, maybe even open-minded. Ah, the folly of youth.
It's not the wild west!....Have you read the Memphis newspaper?....got gun?...most do.
There will always be dumb people doing dumb stuff that makes it hard on the rest of us. Say what u will but one day someone with a permit to carry a gun might save your life on someone you know. Would that make a diffence then.
Mr. Woods, you sir are a complete liberal idiot. First, you condemn the man before any facts are in. Guilty first, huh? Then you use the terminology: "supposedly law-abiding citizens". So just because someone, who has the God given right to defend themselves and their family, decides to carry a pistol, is now under suspicion as being a criminal? Pathetic. One day your eyes will be opened to the world around you. I pray that you have the means to defend yourself when that day comes.
RE:..supposedly law-abiding citizens go armed just about everywhere..
1. In Florida to get a Concealed Weapon/Firearms license you have to:
a. take gun safety course/provide DD214 that shows military service
b. submit finger prints for FBI background check
c. send above, application & fees in to the FL Dept. of Agriculture, Division of Licensing.
2. I sent over 20 years in the U. S. Navy & swore to support & defend the Constitution of the U S. I’m sure the 2nd Amendment guarantees a god given right to keep & bear arms. The writer of this article is spitting on the U.S. Constitution. Did't mention Constitution in their rant. This is only one incident. How many people (80k) in TN have CCW's? Why did he have to go back to his vehicle?
If you edit the bias, innuendo, and emotion out of the article (which is what Mr. Wood's Editor should have done) this is what is left:
"Man shot in parking lot"
This reporting is an embarassment to legitimate journalists everywhere.
Give everyone a gun the dumb ones will die off soon and gene pool will be full of the smarter ones.
Even if they don't commit crimes, they kill spouses, their kids, colleagues and fellow students -- sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. In any case, we need to know who they are.
I assume that the author of the above article more than likely is a liberal democrat. These are the same people who have spent millions of tax payer dollars to study bovine flatulance. The contents of this article are very much similar to the contents of bovine being studied.
i think there are more illegal guns on the streets of nyc and all of ny state to be worried about the people who go and get a permit to carry a gun .lets use our brain logicly pimps and murders they need to be stoped not law abiding citzens,defending there selves.if you deside to disarm us who going to save you whn the shit hits the fan...i never want to hurt another living soul ,but,there are people willing to hurt you and me for there own personel gain,they don't care they don't feel they just act for the benifit of the moment,to better thm selves ,by splilling inocent blood.how do you feel about that?
