Thursday, February 12, 2009
Legislature / Politics / Woods Democrats Ridicule Lawmaker for Demanding Obama's Birth Certificate
Posted by Jeff Woods on Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM
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It would be interesting to see Obama's birth certificate.
Barrack could make this all go away just by sending out a press release containing an original copy of the birth cert. Then the "nutters" and tinfoil hatters would have to go back to the JFK conspiracy.
Why doesn't he do this? One would think that he would just want this to go away.
In my opinion, his unfortunate misrepresentation of a document(created in 2007) has driven much of this kerfuffle.
Here is the Non-Birth Certificate in question.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate-HUSSEINq.jpg
It is real simple. Just release an original document of birth. Barrack is already elected. American's won't really care if his given name was Barry Soerto or his religion was listed as Muslim. The release would change nothing.
So why doesn't he?
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Hey dipshits, this "controversy" is way over. The birth certificate in question has been pawed over, sniffed, rubbed, and authenticated. A long time ago. Go away.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
Hey JL, and you other dipshits, this "controversy" is way over. The birth certificate in question has been pawed over, sniffed, rubbed, and authenticated. A long time ago. Go away.
I can't believe we're still talking about this...
Here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
And:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
An open letter to Swafford can be found here:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/02/open-letter-to-eric-swafford/#comment-3549
I suggest Swafford take a look at it before he makes an even bigger fool of himself. And yeah, I know about the legislation to ban sex toys. What's with him?
Then go here. We love making fun of the birthers.
http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/
Where's Tedbot? Slow on the draw today Tedbot?
It seems that the issue is not yet over, Stellbardo.
If it were over there would not be several lawsuits addressing this very issue.
Obama could make this issue go away just by releasing his birth certificate. I understand why this concerns some people. It carries the scent of corruption or mendacity.
Things like the AP photo of Obama's school records don't help the matter.
http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns06D
Name: Barry Soetoro
Nationality: Indonesian
Religion: Islam
Now admittedly, that was filled out by his muslim stepfather. There was no legal requirement for him to fill this out truthfully. But it adds to the worries of the conspiracy theorists.
The best course for Obama would be to just release a copy of his birth certificate. Then the issue would die and Campfield would move on to his "Guns in Saloons" proposal.
I can't believe we're still talking about this...
Here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
And:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
@anonymous:
Did you also happen to notice that the school record you so proudly point to also lists President Obama's place of birth as Honolulu Hawai'i?
Benintn,
I am not sure there is much of an argument about the COLB issued by Hawaii. It is an official document, created in 2007, and certified as "official" by several Hawaiian officials.
The issue seems to be with the failure to release a copy of Obama's original birth certificate.
Hawaii is not so unusual in that it allows some "redacting" of their birth certificates. That means they will(and have) released COLB's that don't always list truthful information.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html
They will "amend" your COLB to say many things that your original birth certificate did not.
Again, Obama could easily address this case by publishing a copy of his original birth certificate.
JL says:
Barrack could make this all go away just by sending out a press release containing an original copy of the birth cert...
The release would change nothing.
So why doesn't he?
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Umm, didn't you just answer your own question?
"Did you also happen to notice that the school record you so proudly point to also lists President Obama's place of birth as Honolulu Hawai'i? "
no they won't
my daughter was born in Hawaii in 1965, recently she needed a passport, the BC Hawai sent her looked exactly like the one fackcheck.org posted. Strange Huh.
all in Hawaii know that the short form is the only one Hawaii sends, that's what Obama showed
you can check with Hawaii Dept Health on what they will send, they will tell you, though they won't discus any individuual
their phone is 808 586 4541
but we know Birthers won't call, it would upset them to know the truth!
Angi,
I am not sure that this case addresses Obama's place of birth. It may, but I have not read the actual petition. I, for one, have little doubt that Barrack was born in Hawaii.
Since you are bringing up peripheral issues of little importance, we might as well discard the other nonissues. It does not matter if Obama was a citizen of Kenya or Indonesia. It does not matter that he traveled to Pakistan on a non US passport.
Those issues were addressed in 1967 in AFROYIM v. RUSK.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=387&invol=253
Unless he actually renounced his citizenship then he could have dual, triple, or whatever number of additional citizenship's.
I am more interested in what the original documents said more from an historical point of view.
Democrats are being ridiculous if they think this is going to be shoveled underground forever. The truth will come out, one way or the other, and Obama needs to be outed for his lack of transparency. Americans want to know who their president is...better late than never. Name calling will not make this go away. Poor MSM coverage will not make this go away. The MSM itself will be gone before this ever goes way, especially if it continues its poor investigations and coverups.
Oh for crying out loud.
Obama produced the same document Hawaii issues whenever you request a Birth Certificate. It's the same document any Hawaiian would present for a Social Security Card or a Passport.
This is the biggest tinfoilhat nutball garbage ever to hit Republicans. According to these idiots, 50 steate electioin officials, the Hawaii Health Department (which has verified Obama was born in Hawaii) going back 47 years, Barack Obama's mother, father, grandparents, the Democratic Party, the John McCain campaign, nearly all of the members of the US House and Senate, and the entire United States Supreme Court were in on a conspiracy to put a Kenyan into the white house.
Even the conspiracy theories about Area 57, Roswell, and the faked moon landings have more credibility that this nonsense.
richCares,
I am sure you read the hawaii.gov link I posted. If you did you will note that they allow for changing the Name, Sex, and Place of Birth on the Certificate of Live Birth.
Then they will issue you a COLB that looks just like the one that Obama released and probably just like the one your daughter received.
No surprise there.
The issue is with the failure to release an original birth certificate. If the BO camp does this, then the issue dies.
JL,
The only issue is there ar3e a bunch of whackjobs on the internet who are putting out such a freakshow of a conspiracy theory they make the moon landing deniers look sane by comparison.
If you can get through Orly's cases, good luck. She tends to put everything that she possibly can in there.
With this particular case she is trying to get the original birth certificate (which she claims has been forged), immigration records, passport records, and "other vital records".
Strangely enough, several states will issue an new birth certificate with "redacted" information.
http://www.drbecky.com/birthcert.html
Birth Certs don't seem like a very secure way to identify folks.
If you did you will note that they allow for changing the Name, Sex, and Place of Birth on the Certificate of Live Birth.
no they don't here, that'a a myth, here is link to actual Hawaii Gov site showing their laws, go show me where they say what you say, double dare you to read it and quote it. But we know you won't, you want the rumor to be true: Did you accept a rumor or make that up on your own or tou just love lies. Nothing on Hawaii site relates to Obama, his \BC shows location as Honolulu. your view will be in the dustbin of history
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html
Birthers appear to be allergic to truth!
state certification for Obama:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9344926/Hawaii-Dems-and-Repubs-Say-Constitutionally-Eligible
This whole situation strikes me as peculiar. If Obama has nothing to hide why doesn't he just expose these people for the crackpots that he says they are by proving beyond a doubt that he is qualified to hold the office? Instead he continues to hide behind lawyers and other proxies who use legalisms and ridicule to discredit what would have been a serious issue had anyone but their candidate been called into question.
Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
* A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
1. has become legally adopted, or
2. has undergone a sex change operation, or
3. a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
4. previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
* A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html
What is also peculiar now that I reflect upon it is how prepared the naysayers are to refute the alleged crackpotism. Some of the folks posting on this here to fore obscure website seem to be overly eager and persistent in there desire to squash such a silly rumor. Do you think any such naysayer would be as dedicated in their refutation of those that believe in UFOs or other such conspiracy theories if they had no stake in the outcome?
RichCares,
Come on man, did you even read the link you provided? At the risk of becoming tedious, I quote,
"As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
* A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
1. has become legally adopted, or
2. has undergone a sex change operation, or
3. a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
4. previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
* A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii."
Hawaii WILL change the Name, Place of Birth, and Sex on your birth certificate(or more correctly, COLB).
I can only assume that there is some issue involving this policy that prevents Obama from releasing an original copy.
Do any of you think white america would allow a blackman become the president of the united states without checking himout from his head to his ass? Black people use to be SLAVES with no rights and do you really think Obama has not been searched and researched????? Get over it and let's see what he can do.
Al,
Obama released exactly what Hawaii issued when he requested his Birth Certificate. This is the same document that is used for getting a SSN or a passport. It has been verfied by multiple third parties. Tehre are photographs all over the internet.
What happened was, a web site called "Stormfront" came up with a bright idea on how to question the legitimacy of the first black candidate to have a real shot at the presidency. They have long been infiltrated into rightwing web sites where they made up nonsense and even had so-called "experts" who "proved" Obama's birth certificate was a fake, all without having actually seen the document.
So the entire nonsense tracks back to a racist web site desperate to de-legitimze Obama. What you ahve now are the nutballs who bought into the conspiracy theories.
Orly is spreading yet ANOTHER email hoax on her site as true.
The one from Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law.
First of all, it was written about the 2004 Bush-Gore election, not about Obama.
Second of all it's Hamline, not Hemline, and Olson said he never wrote it.
Third, the statistics are wrong.
But, Orly never lets anything like the "truth" stop her from posting inaccurate information... or for that matter... outright lies.
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There are currently 42 cases in courts across the country. Obama has lawyers fighting them. It only makes sense that if there were nothing to hide he would release the long form BC and let his lawyers go to work on something else. Any THINKING individual would realize that something is wrong with the BC!
Al says:
If Obama has nothing to hide why doesn't he just expose these people for the crackpots that he says they are by proving beyond a doubt that he is qualified to hold the office?
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Prove it to whom? The vast majority of the population is convinced beyond a doubt that he is qualified, and a tiny fraction won't believe it no matter what he does.
It's insane to insist that he has an obligation to convince every last doubter, and he has long since gotten to the point where only a small fringe remains.
Who is this RUSSIAN who comes to America and tries to make such claims against our President?
Who is she really?
What is her real motive?
Does anyone know anything about her, other than the fact she earned her law degree via online school?
Seriously.
Xyxox,
I want to agree with you. Being a black man I have no interest in seeing the first black president disqualified and disgraced. However, the solution to this problem is so embarrassingly simple that I cannot help but wonder if something is wrong. I admit I haven't been following this issue. I have just been googling around this topic and also found out that their are multiple reasons for him to be disqualified the least of which is his birth certificate. The primary objection seems to be that his father was a foreign national giving him dual nationality and thus split allegiances. To make matters worse he seems to have admitted to this publicly. That to me seems more relevant and a matter of judicial first impression certainly worthy of an opinion from the court.
Hey Xyxox, Don't you find it curious that not one person has come forward to say he/she was present at the birth of the first black president. Don't you think it is strange that the address in the newspaper belonged to someone in no way connected to Obama? Don't you think it is strange that he refuses to release the long form BC which shows the name of the hospital and doctor, rather than fight 42 court cases. This did not start with a racist web site, it started with a refusal to do the only sensible thing. RELEASE THE DOCUMENT.
buzz,
He HAS PRODUCED A LAWFUL DOCUMENT.
The document was verified by the Hawaii State Department of Helath. They stated emphatically, Barack Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii.
Most of the cases do not name Barack Obama, they name state electioin officials or others. Those that do name Barack Obama require nothing more than the filing of a motion to dismiss.
Anybody can file a lawsuit. Multiple lawsuits were filed against Bush.
Our system allows nutballs like Orly Taitz to do this in order to insure legitimate cases will be heard.
Come on man, did you even read the link you provided? At the risk of becoming tedious, I quote,
which of these quotes apply to Hawaiin born Obama (born of an American mother), at the rist of being tedius please tell me which one, that he was legally adopted in Hawai or he had a sex change operation? come quote the one that applies to Obama especiall when BC states "Honolulu, Hawaii"
Al,
HE already presented his birth certificate. There is nothing more he can do.
buzz,
Actually, a woman who knew the doctor (who is dead now) recalled a conversation about him because of the odd name. I don't have the link handy, but there is a person who gave her account of that conversation. Others involved could be dead, incapacitated or a lot of reasons for not coming forward. It was 47 years ago and even young adults who were present would be in their seventies now.
Treating this as though it were anything other than crackpotism actually gives it some dignity.
The requests have become more and more convoluted as time goes on, and it's clear there's no standard of evidence that is acceptable to fringe movement conservatives. Let them humiliate themselves on the internet so we can all have a good laugh.
I predict 100+ comments on this post, once the lunatic clarion call goes out.
MainSkeptic,
To anybody who wants to know. We are several weeks into his presidency and this is the first time I heard of it. I didn't know about this issue until today. My wife didn't know about it. Ill ask around but I doubt anybody I know is aware of it because its too explosive not to discuss. How can you say everybody knows. What is the big deal anyway. Why aren't you encouraging him to release his vital records so you can laugh even harder at the doubters. If this is a scheme on the part of the people bringing suit then they should be made to pay for the court costs of those they sued and associated wasted public dollars.
This post by Jeff Woods and all the quotes in the article contain nothing more than schoolyard name-calling, a clear sign that they have absolutely no counter-argument.
Here are the actual facts about this issue:
http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship
The first fact to note is that the state of Hawaii never said Obama was born there. They only said he has a valid cert on file. Since those born outside HI can get a valid cert, what they said tells us little, and what they said doesn't mean he was born there.
If everyone would simply concentrate on the facts at that link and my attempt to discredit those who've lied about what Hawaii said, we could finally get to the truth.
But, please just concentrate on the facts as I did, and don't go on to speculate.
These cases seem to have picked up their original impetus from a nutjob Democrat lawyer named Phil Berg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg
But even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Some of the cases seem to have merit.
The original, unaltered document would save the taxpayers and Obama quite a chunk of change. This 2007 Certificate from Hawaii, while official, does not meet the requirements of the petitioners.
Release it and end this mess.
Oh, and Buzz, you are wrong. His grandmother says she was at his birth.
http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=3324
ok now, you Birthers are easy to mis-lead, but the courts are not, now one simple little question, can you show me a single successful court case on this, just one?
By the way the Gove Linda Lingle of Hawaii is a Republican and suppoerter of McCain, she appoint a Republican to head Hawaii Dep Health, fit that in with you birth stories!
Berg is toast yet donations come in, I need the address oof all Birthers so I can scam them for money, will be very easy!
Al,
Don't waste your time, here's a direct link to Barack Obama's birth certificate as certified by the Hawaii Department of Public Health:
Any fighter pilot knows: When you start receiving flak, you know you're over the target.
Rep. Eric Swafford is receiving flak. The birth certificate issue is REAL. And Liberal-lefties, please stop referring to that fraudulent COLB on sites such as Factcheck.org. It's not even a long-form "vault" birth certificate.
Rep. Eric Swafford, keep up the patriotic cause! Thank you!
Xyxox,
I hope your right. This is the last thing this nation needs right now. If he is found out to have come to office unlawfully the consequences will be devastating to the party. Especially, considering how Odom reacted. Its one thing to dismiss a claim its another to dismiss a man. This issue seems like the kind of thing that could needlessly put the President and our country in danger or worse. Being that the birth certificate doesn't seem to be the primary issue I would urge the courts to make a definitive ruling and not simply dismiss the case on standing. A sensible opinion will do more to put out these flames than all the endless speculating on the web.
It's funny how you can't do anything in America without showing a valid birth certificate but you can become president while refusing and locking your's up so no one can see it. What was shown online was a certificate of live birth which the state of Hawai will issue to any parent within the first year of life to any child whether they were born here or not. One of the General's in the Japanese army during WWII had one too, he was born in Japan but his parents vacationed in Hawai and filed for one for him,too.This isn't crazy it is asking if the man is constitutionally qualified, how can any American of any party be against that?
OverTheTarget,
The Birth Certificate verified by factcheck.org and certified by the Hawaii Department of Public Health is Prima Facie Evidence in any court in the land.
It is proven beyond even a shadow of a doubt, Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at 7:24PM in Honolulu Hawaii.
Only nutball conspiracy theorists on par with moonlanding deniers won't admit to it.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv246/freeper_mlo/polarik/birth_certificate_2_sm.jpg
Al,
No court any where is ever going to make any sort of a ruling on this because there is not a single person in the nation who has standing now.
Prior to January 89, 2008, every congressman and Senator in the United States Congress had standing, but only in the joint session. It would have taken one Congressman and one Senator to raise objection to the certification of the electoral votes. Not a single Congressman or Senator raised objection.
The point is now moot. Nobody can lawfully bring suit on this issue under the constitution. Prior to the elction, it was up to the several states to determine the status of candidates. 50 state elction officials found Obama qualified.
For what the birthers claim to be true would require the most epic conspiracy in human history, without a single word being leaked by the literally thousands of individuals involved.
The enitre nonsensical conspiracy theory is beyond incredulous.
What are you supporter's afraid of? Why call someone "crackpot" when there has been no birth certificate released as of yet and Obama has spent in excess of $500,000 hiding it when a copy can be bought for less than $20? What are you afraid of? You can't even play little league baseball wthout showing a birth certificate but you can be president? Ridiculous!
"Don't you think it is strange that the address in the newspaper belonged to someone in no way connected to Obama? "
Man, Birthers are so brilliant!
I attended Univ of Hawaii in 1961, I rented space in a home near the university. I have no idea who actually owned the house, it was large and 3 families shared. Your brilliant comment tells me I didn't live there since the house belonged to someone else, wow, how smart you are. why do you smart people keep losing cases? Because you make up stuff!
stellabardo you are aware that Snopes are one of the largest contributor's to Obama's campaign and that Factcheck.org is an arm of the Chicago Annaberg foundation that Obama ran with Bill Ayers? That is like your girlfirned saying yes he was here last night to the cops and is not reliable info at all. Lagh all you want but if he is not constitutionally qualified everything that he does in the world is invalid. Why does he fight and hide when all he needs is $20 for a copy?
