Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Kotz / Law and Order / Politics He May Be Playing Cheap Politics, But Sheriff Daron Hall Isn't Racist
Posted by Pete Kotz on Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:27 AM
The good sheriff took a pounding over the weekend for his appearance before the Middle Tennessee chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens. In case you've never heard of these guys, they believe black people are a "retrograde species of humanity" and "genetically inferior," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Think of them as a top shelf version of the Klan, since they're at least capable of polysyllabic insults.
The sheriff contends he had no idea he was speaking to a collection of nutbags. I tend to believe him. After all, keeping track of off-shoot hate groups is like memorizing third basemen for the Houston Astros of the 1970s. There's not a lot of relevance to this pursuit, is there?
And if all you heard was the name, you might assume the Council of Conservative Citizens was merely a club for businessmen, talk radio fans, and the followers of The Really Mean God, not the refined brethren of sheet wearers.
But what leads people to believe Hall's racist is when you combine his appearance with his zealous roundup of immigrants. As Tim Chavez notes on his Political Salsa site, "Hall's racism should be an embarrassment to a civil rights city as Nashville, and so should the support of 287g by other Nashville Democrats."
Maybe I'm just mushy or naive or stupid--or possibly all three--but I'm still not seeing Hall as racist. Politically shameless? Yes. Racist? No.
It's become an article of faith among sheriff's nationwide to jump into the immigrant game for political gain. Ever since the famed sheriff of Phoenix, Arizona went from forcing inmates to wear pink underwear to the more popular Bagging On The Immigrants Routine, the shameless elements of the sheriff species have followed suit.
Put yourself in their shoes: You have a job battling crime. But crime rarely goes down. So half your constituency always thinks you suck at your job.
Enter the exciting new field of rounding up immigrants. Suddenly, you're not just the guy who organizes work shifts for the jail. You're the guy protecting America from the Onslaught of the Brown Horde! And you've instantly won the allegiance of Goobers everywhere!
The scam's become so successful, it is to sheriffs what tax cuts are to Republicans or jobs to Democrats. Does this make Hall racist? Naah. It just make him an opportunist exploiting the brown horde for personal gain.
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Sorry but this article along with others in this parade of anti-cofcc, anti-white articles dealing with this subjest is wrong. Is this a nation with free press? Because I would not be able to know deeming that all the news reports the same way. It seems like all the news just rallies behind one another.
They won't call the NAACP racist but will call the CofCC racist. The SPLC is a hate "National Policy Institute" which expose the SPLC racism against white people and white civil-rights groups. Getting information from the SPLC about white pro-organizations is like getting information from Cummunist on Capitalist.
The CofCC is not some small off-shoot it is an organization of 25,000 members and growing and thousands of other supporters. A polotician speaking at a CofCC meeting is no different then one speaking at a La Raza meeting.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I don't know what you guys imagine goes on at NAACP or La Raza meetings but, good lord, it's not a bunch of black or brown people sitting around talking about how white people are less than human and how only race traitors would marry them. It is demonstrably NOT the same as what goes on at racist white gatherings.
But it says a lot about you that you think "we want our kids to have good schools, too" is equivalent to "those people are mongrels."
Pete, as for you, I'm not buying it. Let me quote to you from a man I know you respect. "Enter the exciting new field of rounding up immigrants. Suddenly, you're not just the guy who organizes work shifts for the jail. You're the guy protecting America from the Onslaught of the Brown Horde! And you've instantly won the allegiance of Goobers everywhere!"
So, you acknowledge that Hall has started up a program whose purpose is--and I quote you--to protect America from the "Onslaught of the Brown Horde" in order to appeal to racists. In other words, he has singled out brown people and focused his efforts on rounding them up because they are brown.
If that's not clear-cut racism, what is? He has singled a group out because of their race and focused his oppressive policies on them. That's racist.
The fact that he doesn't have any personal prejudice against brown people (which might make it harder for him to act rationally and justly when dealing with them) but still institutes racist policies--and again by your own account--to appeal to racist voters, makes his actions worse, not better.
If you are irrationally prejudice against a group and then act in a racist manner, that's wrong. But to have no bad feelings towards a group BUT to still single them out for bad treatment?! How is that not ten times more wrong?
Brent, not to belabor the point, but there is a huge difference between the CoCC and the NAACP, the SLPC, and La Raza. I can't believe this is even being argued. Well, yes I can, because I've heard the same old empty argument being thrown out there hundreds of times- that of "we white people are being victimized." Come on, I'm a white male and I think the cries of reverse racism ring extremely hollow to the point of absurdity. In fact, it's become a pet peeve along the lines of people who don't use their blinkers.
And so what if they have 25,000 members? I don't care if they have a million. They are still racist.
Ha ok, Chris you need to catch up on the world we live in to day. This is not 1950s where whites control the world. We are victims of racism and victims of a agressive media war waged on our people. I am 18 and affirmative action affects me personally. Jobs, school, and life.
It is not about affirmative action only, or the racism we face in America. It's a world wide racist movement against white people. You think racism doesn't exist go ask white farmers of Bolivia who's land is slowly being seized because their white. Ask whites being genocided and kicked out of Zimbabwe, once a nation of over 350,000 whites, less then 10,000 today. Go to South Africa where white farmers are being killed, and government sponsered discrimination encoruages blacks to harm whites. Go to Libya where you wouldn't even be able to become a citizen because of the color of your skin. The Libyan leader praised Obama saying Obamas victory is a victory for the darkening of the world. Look at our own nation we have a president who who spent years in a church not even the devil would go.
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AuntB. Um yea your a racist AuntB. Every ones racist because we don't have the same oppion as you were brainwashed to hold. Whites have no political representation in America. The blacks have their Black pressure groups, Hispanics have theirs, Jewish people have theirs AIPAC. Whites have nothing and that is the way the other races like it. Because their goal is to silence us all the while takeing over our political spectrum. The NAACP has shown its racism many times. It has welcomed racist like Rev.Wright to its conferences. La Raza's racism in undeniable it's leader once called for the removal of gringos from America and the establishment of a Hispanic only nation. SPLC is a race hustleing organization which makes millions of money off of makeing up racist claims.
The CofCC is fighting for real civil rights. It does not take money from the government like La Raza does which gets millions of dollars a year threw a program. CofCC has no strangle hold on the media like NAACP does with CNN. CofCC is up front with its beliefs it openly advocates separation of whites. Why? its because racism, no its not. It is because the CofCC believes that it is betetr to separate then to be slowly genocided which is happening threw race mixing. They are fighting smears against white people, and actually care about the people they are fighting for. We have a right to perserve our self, wether you anti-white bigots liek it or not.
You would celebrate if there was not one white baby left to be born.
Oh, Brent, you're not being singled out for discrimination because you're white. I don't even know you and I can tell from your writing that you're being singled out because you're a giant dumbass who can say things like "Whites have no political representation in America" with a straight face.
It must just be terrible for you to look to the federal government and see no white senators, no white representatives, no white Supreme Court justices. I mean, look at our own fair city, with no white mayor, no white people on the city council, no white people in the state legislature. It's just tragic the lack of political representation white people have.
And Brent, if you're going to throw about a bunch of "statistics" about Libya or Bolivia or the leader of La Raza saying Gringos need to leave America, please provide, at the very least, sources to back up your assertions. Just saying something, or hearing it from someone else, doesn't make it true.
Brent, white people do have their own special interest group. It's called the Republican Party.
As for you, Auntie, I believe you've outmaneuvered me. It probably is inherently racist to play on hate for political gain. But if Hall was a true racist--meaning that's the contents of his heart--I think we would have heard about it now from his employees, a good chunk of whom are black.
I guess I was trying to make the point that all anti-immigration people aren't inherently racist. I think labor, for example, makes a legitimate point that migrant workers undercut wages. I'm amazed at how migrants have taken over the construction business in the South and Southwest, when this is well-paying union work elsewhere. And I still remember how meat packers used migrants to break unions when I was a kid, cutting wages in half over night. So I guess I'm a little resistant to throwing all these people in the same pile. It's one thing to hate 'em due to pigmentation. It's another thing to resist their arrival because it only pushes down income, which makes us all the poorer.
Yes, but Pete, please. They don't push down wages. No one's sitting in Mexico rubbing his hands together saying, "Come on, Fred. Let's head north and ruin it for the unions." They're desperate AND THEIR EMPLOYERS are undercutting U.S. citizens' wages and busting unions.
Focusing on the people they exploit to do this just takes our eyes off the real culprits.
Plus, I can't speak to what the contents of his heart are, but I don't find a lack of complaints by his black employees convincing. First, what dumbass in this economy is going to complain about his boss? Second, we're not talking about racism directed towards blacks. Having black folks vouch for him is cold comfort to the brown folks who bear the brunt of this 287(g) nonsense.
There needs to be a reform of the visa system that recognizes economic migration yet prevents exploitation. And I agree that bosses are more responsible for the situation than the immigrants themselves.
But it's undeniable that a labor pool made larger for any reason suppresses wages. I don't blame Mexican or Central American immigrants for this fact, and I don't blame South Asian technical workers who come to the US sponsored by an employer. The fault is with the businesses who use migrant labor to keep wages down for all workers. Whether hiring illegal immigrants is against the law but tacitly encouraged, as with the case of illegal immigrants, or whether employees are brought in on a visa program that functions basically as indentured servitude, it's a bad deal for the native workforce. And it should be acknowledged and addressed, because otherwise, immigrants will become scapegoats, and businesses will get off scot free.
Of course, the approach that the anti-immigration movement pushes is based on portraying immigrants as scum, and a lot of the passionate anti-immigration folks have a hard time accomodating the idea of naturalized citizens or immigrant children, and they sound like racist yoohoos.
The answer to the wage issue is defining a feasible, non-punitive path to citizenship or legal status, allowing for migration outside of employer "sponsorship," and STRONG UNIONS.
I'm amazed at how migrants have taken over the construction business in the South and Southwest, when this is well-paying union work elsewhere.
You are? How can you be amazed that in the anti-union part of the country, where most union activity has been rendered illegal by legislatures, the cheapest possible labor wins out? Seems to me that that's exactly what the people who wanted those laws written intended to happen.
I can't go with you there, Auntie. I know they're not plotting to bust labor, and I know they're only trying to feed their families. But their very presence allows employers to crush labor. So a lot of workers view them as akin to scabs, and I can't blame them. They're essentially undercutting someone else's job, at least in the trades, which is good, family supporting work in other parts of the country. This isn't a good thing if your goal is to see all people rise.
I have no beef with the Mexicans--they seem to be good, hard-working, family people. But I have to admit that I'd rather see Americans earn before I worry about the Mexicans. I guess I'm the flip side of Brent. I think labor is working people's only powerful ally, and I think it has to be strong for all of us to prosper.
I've only lived here six months, NM, so yeah, I am surprised. In Cleveland, where I came from, the unions have too much political juice to lose trade jobs, though you do see the occasional southern work crew or contractor.
But I think one of the main reasons Mexicans are far less vilified there is that they haven't made inroads into high-wage trades. They literally do work the jobs most Americans won't, like hotel maids, orchard work, small landscaping operations, that kind of thing.
The difference down here is that conservative legislatures will readily screw the God-fearing working people they profess to protect, because they just can't resist that cheap labor. So, yeah, it kind of freaks me out. If the goal of your economic policy is to build the largest underclass possible, this would be it.
Hall is a racist. He was only picking on people who weren't organized and could not even speak English - much less hayseed hillbilly.
The whole union busting argument for homebuilding is insane considering the market for new homes is virtually nil. This state will support an income tax before it supports unionized homebuilders.
The new homes that were built by those Mexicans would cost double for their prospective homebuyers - a shocking number of whom support English-only and Daron Hall if white people were doing all the work. Triple if they were unionized.
Those arguments are actually moot now that the economy has blown up and "the huddled masses yearning to breathe free" have decided Mexico looks pretty good compared to Lee Greenwood's USA.
I'm sure Hall is not a racist toward African-Americans. They're organized and they vote. Hopefully, everyone who opposes racism will realize racism against brown people is racism against us all.
Well, Pete, frankly, duh. The goal is not to create a large economic underclass; it's to keep a large economic underclass. Many of the wealthy folks down here are wealthy precisely because we have a long tradition of paying skilled laborers nothing or next to nothing and using social mores to force them to go along with it. Blaming the Mexicans for now bearing the brunt of it is like blaming the black folks and the poor white trash before them.
Maybe in Cleveland there was some magic time when a man could work hard for a living in a blue collar job and make a good life for him and his family, but when has that ever been the case here?
If you think Mexicans are taking jobs that would otherwise go to Americans who would then be allowed to earn a good, maybe even middle-class wage, I have to invite you to reconsider the historical dynamics at play here, because as long as you think that, you are leaving yourself open to being played.
And as for the Mexican/American distinction, well, obviously I think that drawing an arbitrary line not 200 years ago and declaring every brown person on one side of it "Mexican" and every brown person on the other side of it "Indian" and insisting everyone stay on their own side is pretty dang arbitrary.
Your people were allowed to come here and take shit jobs and make a better life for your family (as were mine). Why shouldn't our neighbors to the south have the same opportunity?
AuntB. No whites have no one who honestly represents them. Name one senator who would dare represent white people and their integrity. I can say this knowing it to be fact. Not one white person representing these "United States" is out there standing up for our interest.
Yes there are many whites, many Jews, many blacks, hispanic politicians however none of those white politicians represent whites. They represent other interest sometimes people like Ted Kennedy who doesn't represnt white people but hispanic folks. Sometimes we have white politicians like Bush who represnt Israel. Again though no clear European political figure who cares about the founding stock of this nation.
Chris1974 I don't carry around memory card about every article I read. American Renaissance and "NPI", or National policy Institute archives can help you.
Bolivia just enacted a new constitution on land redistribution, which is aimed at white farm owners. In Libya a white person, nor Jew can not become citizen of that nation. The Libyan president said this
http://africa.reuters.com/top/news/usnJOE4A6036.html
Opps sorry here is the Guddafi statement.
KIEV (Reuters) - Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, newly on good terms with Washington, on Thursday hailed the election of Barack Obama as the next U.S. president as "the beginning of victory for black people".
But Gaddafi said he feared for Obama's safety, and said he hoped the United States' first black president would not be assassinated like John F. Kennedy or black civil rights leader Martin Luther King.
Gaddafi, dressed in a white safari suit emblazoned with a map of Africa, said recent events, including Obama's victory, were "set down 30 years ago in the Green Book," a reference to his 1970s people power manifesto that mixes elements of socialism and Islam.
"The Green Book says society's time will come. The Green Book says that blacks will govern the world and power will belong to society and to its minorities," he told reporters in a tent pitched near the state residence which had been assigned to him in Kiev.
"This can be considered the beginning of victory for black people."
Gaddafi also said he feared that Obama might face attempts on his life.
"I also fear for his security. The (kinds of) people who killed Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King and Kennedy are alive and living in America ... May God protect him."
Brent, you have got to be kidding me. "Guddafi?" Who gives a shit about some crazy third world dictator. And you don't need a memory card. Most of everything you said was utter b.s. Again, they aren't facts just because you heard it somewhere, whether on talk radio or the internet. I am 99.9% sure the leader of La Raza never said what you said they said. Here's a little advice: stop playing the victim and stop looking at everything through the racial identity prism. "Guddafi" might be trying to keep you down, but no one in the U.S. is.
Chris:
Maybe it is time for blacks and hispanics to stop playing the victim. You are living in lala land. "Keeping me down", Affirmative action, and other laws targeting whites. We have a media which trips over its own feet to please non-whites. We have a movie industry who allows racist like Spike Lee to make movies. We have a president who was a member of a racist church. We have black on white violence, rapes, killings that no one cares to mention. We live in a nation every day where our rights are being tooken away laws enacted on speech. We have a school system which discriminates against white children. We have afro-centric holidays like MLK day, Hispanic, and Black history month, which is used to make white kids feel guilty, and lower their self-esteem. It is okay for Hispanics, and blacks to votes for their own race. But for whites we are attacked. Every thing is being used against us as racism. The other races cry racism if you dear speak the truth.
We do not have a voice to critizize people who use racism as a tool against white people. And frankly the NAACP and La aza constantly attack white culture. All these so called civil-rights groups only protect their own peoples civil-rights. And that is why groups like the CofCC are needed and wanted by a majority of white Americans. There needs to be a balence to this one sided political, civil-rights, and cultural nation we live in.
I'm pretty sure Brent and Anonymous are the same person. And the last thing I really want to do is get into a tit for tat with you. I am white and I don't feel anywhere near the same as you. Life is too short to go around acting like a victim, which you are doing. Frankly, it's a trait of conservative culture these days. They talk about how awful it is for people to be acting like victims, but they play the victim better and more often than anyone. Just witness the posts of Brent (aka anonymous). And Brent, we don't choose our race, as you surely understand. Work on making yourself a better person and stop complaining about black and hispanic holidays. We're not going back to the 1950's. You need to understand and accept this or you're going to end up an angry person for the rest of your life. And it's not worth it.
Yes I am Anonymous I forgot to put my name in those two post. Frankly sir I'm not angry. Your being ridiculous in your thinking. I am not a victim, my race is. It is a victim of people like you who complain about me complaining about racism against whites. While its the same people like you who complain about racism against non-whites. I have a right to complain about Affirmative action and double standards. I'm not a conservative I don't lable my self with political titles. It is obviously we are not going back to the 1950s. We are heading into a future where whites are being genocided in Zimbabwe. We are heading to a future where people like you tell other whites to look the other way at such crimes.
By the way like how you take the black holidays part and leave out the rest of what I mentioned. If race doesn't exist why do we need such holidays? Again it is small minded biggoted people like you who tell me why I am wrong and why your right, who need to live in reality. Race is a reality. Have a good day and please live your life. Just please take your time and read the archives of racial science over at "American Renaissnace".
Brent, this is my last post on this. We are going to have to agree to disagree. I went to "American Renaissance." That is the last time I will visit that website. It's motto is "A conservative monthly publication. Promotes a variety of white racial positions." Honestly, it isn't far from that kind of stuff to holocaust denial. If this is where conservatism is headed in the U.S.- i.e. the CoCC and American Renaissance stuff- then conservatism is in big trouble.
Okay Chrish we can agree to disagree.
I just want people to know what the SPLC is. It is a organization which makes money off lableing whites racist. The Attorney General gave a list of groups to avoid donateing too because of their scam of takeing money donated with out actully useing any of it for their so called cause.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcI4v6JE6A4
I totally disagree with your deduction that Sheriff Hall,s implementation of 287g is for political gains.
Sheriff Hall was enjoying significant political capital prior to 287g, being the first sheriff to run unopposed in the history of Nashville metro politics. This feat was simply for the fact that he knows and loves what he does.
The adoption and implementation of this programme was the least he could do to rectify a broken system which has allowed illegal offenders to progressively reoffend after they have been court ordered to leave the country.
Prior to the Sheriff,s implementation of this programme, deputies have to wait endlessly to hear from federal agents whether an arrested immigrant is legal or not, which has resulted in a good number of them being released only to commit more serious crimes.
