Monday, September 29, 2008
Law and Order 287g Helpless Against Undocumented Murderer; Serpas Blames Feds
Posted by PJ Tobia on Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:45 PM
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"In the meantime many, many, peaceful, law abiding, economy boosting immigrants where forcibly removed from this city, never to return. What was the point of this policy again?"
Memo to P.J. Tobia, who is obviously living in another world:
All illegals, upon entering this country, automatically commit two felonies: (1)Purchasing bogus ID and (2)using that bogus or (stolen) ID to get a job. Both actions are felonies.
Does Tobia want to run that nonsense about "law-abiding" by us again? And where is the compassion for the city's unemployed who gladly would do the jobs that have been stolen by illegals and whose presence does nothing but drive down wages?
Dave Gorak
Executive director
Midwest Coalition to Reduce Immigration
LaValle, WI
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Sheriff Hall did his part. Perhaps we could get him to do his thing at Border Patrol and get those folks exceeding expectations, and operate within their budget.
Sheriff hall did make Nashville safer, you can't hold him responsible for the lack of job performance of a federal division. To even remotely connect Sheriff hall to the failure of the Feds shows a real lack of intelligence and ability to reason.
I’m not blaming Hall for anything related to this crime. My only point is that his policy—287g—does not necessarily make Nashville any safer, while it does devastate many innocent lives and livelihoods.
"..while it does devastate many innocent lives and livelihoods."
You mean the lives of criminals and their criminal livelihoods....
Grow up, PJ. 287 (g) is one of the best tools law enforcement has to target and remove illegal aliens.
There's nothing "innocent" about illegal aliens. Their presence proves a total contempt for our borders, our laws and this nation. There's nothing "innocent" about someone that crawls through the back window of your home because they didn't make it onto the guest list.
Every jail in this country should screen every arrestee as to their immigration status. It most certainly makes the streets safer. Those persons were charged with an offense to put them in jail in the first place. Whether that offense was driving without a license or rape. Too many times an illegal was arrested multiple times and released to reoffend up to the point where someone died. Happens all the time and there's no excuse.
About 10% of illegals caught trying enter this country have criminal records. Though this "accused" scumbag made it back in, many do not. About 55% of illegals come from Mexico. Hence, it would be easier for them to attempt a reentry than an illegal that was deported to India.
In fiscal year 2007, Border Patrol apprehended 877,000 illegal crossers. That means about 87,000 had criminal records. Out of those, who knows how many were deported earlier thru 287 (g) but, at least, there's record of them and the penalties increase quite a bit for those previously deported, especially with a criminal record.
No, we can't stop them all but this tragic murder in Nashville only points out why we need our borders better secured and a 287 (g) program.
Innocent lives and livelihoods? What planet do you live on? These are illegal aliens, illegal as in against the law to house, employ, aid or abet in any way. They commit several felonies just to get a job. Felonies are umm... crimes!
No one will know how many lives would be saved by the repatriation of these illegal aliens but we sure know how many are victims, un-necessary victims, which is the point you are too dense to understand.
SOUTHWEST BORDER APPREHENSIONS (Source DHS/CBP)
1987--1,190,488------1995--1,394,554------2003----905,065
1988--1,008,145------1996--1,649,986------2004--1,139,282
1989----954,243------1997--1,412,953------2005--1,189,108
1990--1,169,939------1998--1,555,776------2006--1,071,972
1991--1,197,875------1999--1,537,000------2007----858,638
1992--1,258,482------2000--1,643,679------2008----660,288 (ends 9/30)
1993--1,327,259------2001--1,235,718
1994--1,094,717------2002----929,809
FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, crossing our Southwest Border.
FACT: Less than 1, out of 4, were estimated to have been apprehended.
Mind boggling, isn't it.
and then there are the non-immigrants (illegals) who have overstayed their visas, and remain in our United States (source: Pew Hispanic Center) According to the U.S. Immigration Service six million illegals in this country are visa overstays. That is, they got a visa legally in their home country, they came here to visit and then they never left.
Ronal Serpas, the pseudo-police chief, whose sword duty it is to protect American citizens, and whose salary is paid by taxpayers, is an example of those who are entrusted to uphold and enforce our laws are the same who are most guilty of violating our laws.
If the Sheriff had more support from police chiefs, such as Serpas, who are more intent on protecting illegal aliens instead of legal citizens, these types of crimes would be significantly reduced. "It's not my job" (blaming it on the federal government) is the refrain we often hear from those who don't want to do their job. Unfortunately, laziness is not always the reason why these elected/appointed officials choose to protect these illegal aliens.
Americans are crazy. Yes, just plain crazy, or uncaring towards their fellows, family and friends. I read this crap all the time. We are helpless against this that or the other rule, law, provision, whatever you want to call it. Not if the citizenry got off its fat unconcerned ass. If enough people screamed loud enough and started to replace these worthless judges, police, and politicians, they would see change overnight.
Americans are crazy. Yes, just plain crazy, or uncaring towards their fellows, family and friends. I read this crap all the time. We are helpless against this that or the other rule, law, provision, whatever you want to call it. Not if the citizenry got off its fat unconcerned ass. If enough people screamed loud enough and started to replace these worthless judges, police, and politicians, they would see change overnight.
Kick out all judges police, and politicians who simply will not do the will of the citizenry and this stuff wouldn't happen. Americans deserve this crime and insanity because we are just plain so unconcerned about it all to get off our fat rears and stop it.
HELP YOUR POLICE!
Illegal Immigration is rapidly becoming a urgent flash-point issue, because the this lawbreaking population is out of control. Cities and communities have become violators of immigration law, getting duly labeled as 'Sanctuary cities or even states'? This is no longer isolated communities whose Governors, Mayors and elected officials, who have sold America to the Special interest lobby.
The majority of Politicians have refused to approach this issues, because it has become a grave concern to hard-hit taxpayers. When uncensored it shows the spread of illegal immigrant crime, devastating economic damage to our welfare programs. Tom Fitton, President of the Watchdog legal group www.judicialwatch.org has adopted a PETITION to stop propagation of 'Sanctuary cities' where death has become an everyday day occurence at the hands of criminal foreign nationals.
So please sign this petition. www.sanctuarybusters.org/Index.asp?source.
www.numbersusa.com for more true facts.
For the sake of argument I'm going to presume the guilt of Rodriguez:
If we had the DP for those that are guilty of invasion into the USA then Shah would not have died in that manner that night...
OR at the VERY LEAST, if Rodriguez had been told that if he is caught here illegally a 2nd time he would be executed immediately then maybe he would not have returned illegally & Shah would still not have night that night.
I FIRMLY believe in the DP for those adults caught here illegal a 2nd time...I'd prefer after the 1st time but by going w/ the 2nd offense instead of the 1st (& by informing the individual when apprehended the 1st time what would happen upon the 2nd offense) then ppl could not say that they were not warned of the penalty for invasion.
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For the sake of argument I'm going to presume the guilt of Rodriguez:
If we had the DP for those that are guilty of invasion into the USA then Shah would not have died in that manner that night...
OR at the VERY LEAST, if Rodriguez had been told that if he is caught here illegally a 2nd time he would be executed immediately then maybe he would not have returned illegally & Shah would still not have DIED that night.
I FIRMLY believe in the DP for those adults caught here illegally a 2nd time...I'd prefer after the 1st time but by going w/ the 2nd offense instead of the 1st (& by informing the individual when apprehended the 1st time what would happen upon the 2nd offense) then ppl could not say that they were not warned of the penalty for invasion.
@ JMT. The death penalty for immigration violations? Really? This is the first time I've heard someone not named Phil Valentine express this view. Please tell me more about the basis for this radical position.
I would like to remind people to think about Vinod and his family. He was a hard-working, gentle person who made a great contribution to Nashville and America. He had friends around the world, I count myself as one. Vinod quietly lived the American drean as many of our grandparents and forefathers did, working long and, as events have shown us, dangerous hours trying to support a family and build a business and a legacy. Anyone who knew him knows this is true. I often wonder when I hear of a good person dying, are we even coming close to replacing that person in the next generation? I can only hope so.
Ah, yeppie, we have a law that didn't fully work this time so lets throw it out. What a stupidity!
Might as well throw out all of the laws because none of them work all the time. People get murdered, raped and robbed all the time and the law doesn't catch all of the miscreants yet we don't throw those laws out.
The thing here is that the law is something that needs to be enforeced each time and punish the offenders that come back for a second try.
My company will be demonstrating the latest developed technology to apprehend 'border busters' so they can be caught before they kill anyone. Hopefully, DHS will make a hefty purchase and we can have some real methods to stop this uphill flow!
The point is that the 287g program did in fact identify the illegal alien and have him deported. It is in fact the Feds, that have not sealed our borders, they are to blame for this murder. If our government was doing it's job, this illegal alien murderer would not have been in this country in the first place. And if they were doing their job, he would not have been able to return. 287g works!
The main number one reason Sheriff Hall had to take on 287g is because the Feds CAN'T do the job.
Damn straight PJ. For a 2nd violation (as an adult) after they have been WARNED when caught the 1st time. Violation of our sovereignty shouldn't be tolerated.
The DP would be nothing but self-defense against invaders.
Entering the USA (or any country for that matter) for the purposes of work or gaining citizenship or just visiting is a privilege NOT A RIGHT.
To allow invaders to either stay or to keep invading after being deported is a violation of not only the USA sovereignty but also a violation of ALL USA citizens, BORN AND PROPERLY NATURALIZED & also an offense to even non-citizens that enter correctly but don't either intend to stay or get citizenship.
As I said, if this thug had been warned at the time of his deportation previously that the DP would be carried out upon him if got caught here illegally a 2nd time maybe, just maybe Mr. Shah would still be alive.
Part of my ancestry is Cherokee so I know a little more about invaders & the havoc they can cause than some other ppl do. The rest of my ancestry came to this country LEGITIMATELY as opposed to invasion.
*Sorry if this post ends up posted more than once...I'm having problems getting it posted.
Burns' metaphor (There's nothing "innocent" about someone that crawls through the back window of your home because they didn't make it onto the guest list) is a good rendering of anti-Mexican's "rule of law" argument. It captures their point while also revealing the half-truth around which the driving force of their argument - enact violence against Mexicans - is based. It's the same way that the half-truth of the global banking system's role in undermining local labor markets gets twisted into a justification for anti-Semitic violence. Referring to Burns' metaphor, history is clear that the building of "the house" is directly related to the systematic destruction of opportunities for the people who are "crawling in the back window" to have a livelihood in their own land. Dealing with illegal immigration means dealing with the problem of foreign policy in the western hemisphere. Denying history and humanity does not get us any closer to the reform that we need - and make no mistake, we DO need reform. But some of the responses here tell me that there are people in this debate who, more than anything else, are interested in using Mexicans to satisfy a thirst for violence and to live out sadistic fantasies of torture and execution. People need to stop turning their mental health issues into prescriptions for public policy before we wind up with a "Final Solution to the Mexican Question." Inciting moral panics and making demands for capital punishment GET IN THE WAY of the real work of reform being done by actual observers of the rule of law rather than people who hide a passion for violence behind their false claims to the rule of law. As we work towards a viable solution, the best way we can honor our American heritage and the people who gave their lives to defend it is to not turn into fascists.
