Wednesday, April 15, 2009
Cream / Hot Goss Apparently Someone Does Remember the Toby Keith/Kris Kristofferson Incident
Posted by Jack Silverman on Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Remember the whole brouhaha last week surrounding Ethan Hawke's Rolling Stone story about Kris Kristofferson, in which he describes a scene at a 2003 concert in which Kristofferson allegedly chewed out an unnamed star who "had a monster radio hit about bombing America's enemies back into the Stone Age"? And how Tennessean music writer Peter Cooper commented on Hawke's oddly evasive tactics in omitting the star's name, which may have rhymed with Moby Teeth? And how Toby Keith went on a bizarre tirade denouncing Cooper in front of a gaggle of reporters at the Academy of Country Music Awards, and denied the incident ever happened? And then erroneously claimed Kristofferson denied it too, even though Kris simply said he didn't remember?
Well yesterday, the Minneapolis Star Tribune ran a seemingly routine preview of Kris Kristofferson's April 14 concert at the Pantages Theatre, which included the following segment:
The Rolling Stone story brought a denial from Keith last week. And Kristofferson himself has retreated from the situation."Actually, I like Toby Keith, but I don't agree with his politics," said Kristofferson, who will perform tonight in Minneapolis. "There are a lot things in artistry that transcend politics."
He says he doesn't even remember the exchange with Keith, but his wife does. "That's something that happened six years ago," he said, "and I can't even remember what I had for breakfast."
Don't feel bad, though, Toby. We kinda knew the truth all along. If you're half the man you pretend to be, maybe it's time to offer Peter Cooper an apology, no?
Or are you going to say to Kristofferson's wife, Lisa Meyers, what you said to Cooper--that she's "in default"? (By the way, she's an attorney, so maybe she can explain to you what "in default" really means.)
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besides the gum smacking, the "25 #1 songs" claim didn't sound right to me. and it's not.
18 according to Allmusic. that's quite an accomplishment, but bold face lying is still bold face lying.
What a dick: Thanks for fact checking Toby's braggadocio...
And even more importantly, what do his "25 No. 1 songs" have to do with anything? Does that make him any more credible or his word any more honorable? Like somehow we should believe him?
Uh, how many No. 1's was Phil Spector responsible for?
Regarding the 25 number 1 songs, there are two recognized country music charts. Sometimes a song will go number 1 on one chart but not the other. It's pretty commonplace. When George Strait's '50 Number 1's' c.d. came out, it was based on two chart methodology.
What idiots any of you are for believing lies and gossip. Have any of you gone into areas beyond the green zone to visit troops an help morale of soldiers like Toby does? Have any of you visited wounded Soldiers and ailing children like Toby does? Toby is a real MAN and there are so few these days. He and Kris K. have mutual respect for each other, end of story.
Peter Cooper is a loser for reporting like TMZ or the enquirer. He lost credibility and his attempt @ humor shows how immature and jealous he is. He will never attain the level of career status that Toby has or that Kris K. has.
I agree Toby is THE MAN. He has received Military honors for his work. He goes out of his way for the fans. He brings hope and entertainment to thousands of our Soldiers defending our freedom. Prayers for Toby and his band on the upcoming USO tour.
rx....
I have been to the green zone! I have been with the troops in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait. I have been with wounded warriors and seen the damage.
And I STILL think Toby Keith is a douche!!
end of story.
Don't you dare hate on Toby! He is a wonderful Man and one of the greatest country entertainers around. He has always helped others along the way in his career. He is not selfish like Hollywood types. Who even knows or cares who Peter Cooper is. Many WARRIORS for Toby LOVE him and we stand true. The Military and Troops respect him and appreciate all that he does.
Toby does do some great things for our troops and it's AWESOME. But it does not negate the fact that he can be a loud mouthed dick at times. I've witnessed this first hand as he was mocking the audience to his band-mates (off mic) something about they think they are country, but they are just a bunch of loosers. Everyone in the front row was looking at eachother like... doesn't this idiot realize we can hear every thing he is saying? Love the music, but not the man.
to horetrader bill,
that's good you have visited Soldiers. but I Do NOT agree with your criticism of Toby.
Toby does not get paid to do this for the USO, while other entertainers do. He does it out of the goodness of his heart. He goes beyond the green zone which is more dangerous and the troops there really appreciate it because no one else comes to visit them. Toby also supports police and firefighters everywhere.
Do not understand why all of this negativity is coming out. I have met several entertainers and Toby is at the top of the list. Good things are said about Toby from people that work with him and other entertainers that have been on tour with him. He always helps others. He is one of the GOOD Guys.
rx says:
Toby is a real MAN and there are so few these days. He and Kris K. have mutual respect for each other, end of story.
First off, what reason would Ethan Hawke have to lie about this account. "None of that lefty shit out there tonight, Kris." sounds EXACTLY like something that would come out of Toby Keith's mouth. And honestly, he's lucky Kris didn't punch him in his moronic mouth. Kris is keeping quite about this because HE's the real man here. He's not a loud-mouth braggart like Toby Keith is. Kris was absolutely right. Keith may go into the Green Zone where it's relatively safe and entertain our troops, but until he mans up and actually straps on a pair of combat boots then he needs to take Kris' advice and just shut the fuck up. Kris Kristofferson might be to much of a gentleman to call Toby Keith what he is, but I'm not. Hey, Toby, you're a loud-mouthed dick.
papabear
whoooaaa hold on, Toby goes BEYOND the green zone which means the UNSAFE area. Last year he and the area they were in came under attack. Toby is a true MAN. He got back on stage and continued the show.
Why does anyone believe what a PRICK like Ethan prints anyway? He is a liar and his career is nowhere, so he makes up lies. Those lines he said Kris said sound like they were more from Johnny Cash in a movie. If there are any real journalists out there, they would find the truth and show that Ethan is a liar. Kris already called him out about the stuff in Kris' history that was wrong. I seriously doubt Ethan Hawke was even at this event in 2003. Someone should talk to Uma Thurman. She was the happiest girl to get away from Ethan.
It is unfortunate that many will believe the lies of Hollyweird above good citizens and good people that actually do good for this country.
Damn, that dude is FAT. More like Tubby Keith! hahahaha! Am I right? Is this thing on? Hello?!
All you haters that have nothing good to say can stick it where the sun don't shine. Why don't you put your time to doing something positive in your city like helping others or doing something good for your country instead of hating on an artist who does good things. Take responsibility for your own power to be positive. Grow up.
Why does going past the green zone make him a real man? just asking.
I think that USO is a good thing, that does not mean you get to be an ass. There are many people that do good deeds that, in person, may not be the nicest of souls.
Toby Keith writes bad music. His arrogance is unwarranted. I think that is the point many are trying to make. He may go play USO, he may be a "real" man. However, he is a terrible artist that prides himself on his independent capabilities(songwriting etc) but still lives and dies by country music radio play.
I am sure Gene Simmons high fives every veteran he sees, it does not, however, change the fact that the man would just assume bottle his own piss and use it as cologne(if he could sell it). This man may have done good things in his life, it does not mean that he is free of reproach when he does dumbass, arrogant, malarkey.
Also, how can you call someone un-american for disagreeing with it's past, current, or post political climate? that is insane. The boneheaded attitude that develops in some folks heads that leads them to believe they have this ability is a testament to our own imperfections as a country. Or we could get the junior senator from wisconsin back in here and root out who is american and who is not.
Finally, the guy writes terrible songs. The fact that his bulldogged face is associated with Country Music should embarrass all country fans.
Ever stop to think why he writes songs about soldiers and policemen and firemen? May it be because he knows he can sell records penning tunes about said people? do you think he relates? man, he really IS an american.
Bryan- I am happy to educate you. Songwriter skills are highly warranted. Toby Keith has an incredible catalogue of songs if you will. He is credited to 60 million spins which means airplay for his songs. (among the spin rankings of other artists like Lennon, Elton John, Billy Joel) Another incredible accomplishment.
He is one of our Honest and talented songwriters.
I stated he supports Soldiers, police and firefighters. His songs cover many topics. He has great range and talent as an artist. He definitely relates to Americans. That is why he has many number one songs and he has a Huge fan base.
Toby Keith is a nice boy.
and also i waited like 6 months to bring this bit back so I expect some laughter, pricks.
"That is why he has many number one songs and he has a Huge fan base."
Chubby chasers?
Hey, rx, you aren't by chance Toby Keith's publicist are you? And frankly, in this day and age when a record studio BUYS airplay, I could care diddlysquat about how many spins Mr. Keith gets. Radio time does not equal popularity or talent. Shame on you for comparing him to John Lennon. And the only Americans he relates to are the moronic 16% who still support George Bush and agree that bombing another country's citizens "back to the Stone Age" is a good thing. The guy is an arrogant, ignorant, redneck bastard. Good for him that he actually has the decency to support our troops, but every time he runs his mouth, he shows exactly what kind of a "man" he is. And if he really wants to do something good for the citizens of the world, then he should start with NEVER "ACTING" AGAIN.
Listen, fellas...
If you waste your time a-talkin' to the people who don't listen to the things that you are sayin', who do you think's gonna hear? And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?
Now if you'll excuse me, my thirsty wants some whisky, and my hungry needs some beans.
also for Bryan-
going Beyond the green zone, into the danger zone is a testament to toughness. The Soldiers don't have a choice to go into the dangerous territory, they are assigned.
rx says:
going Beyond the green zone, into the danger zone is a testament to toughness. The Soldiers don't have a choice to go into the dangerous territory, they are assigned.
So he went out there on his own, huh? Without a small platoon of armed soldiers escorting him and ready to evacuate him at a moment's notice? Wow, that is pretty tough. And brave too. You're right, he is a real man.
Joe-Friday-
Comparison of spin rankings is what I stated in regard to Lennon. Facts are Facts. I am not a PR person. Just a music loving fan.
It is so easy for you to hate on someone. What have you ever done to help or support others?
and Joe -Friday- since you need to be educated too, it is not performing behind bullet proof glass when they are out there, it is in the open in bases that are subject to attacks.
I've bled for my country. You?
And again, you can't really compare Lennon's spins to Toby's spins. The Beattles didn't have to buy their airtime.
rx says:
and Joe -Friday- since you need to be educated too, it is not performing behind bullet proof glass when they are out there, it is in the open in bases that are subject to attacks.
I think my education is quite adequate, thank you. But you are right. I would MUCH prefer a base full of Marines to any flimsy bullet-proof glass.
How come Nashville Cream gets all the love? I tell the same story right here, and I get one-tenth of the comments that Cream does. Is it because Cream is prettier, or hangs out with the cool kids? Even Toby Keith's mom seems to like Cream better.
Some blogs have all the luck. I'll just crawl back into my little server and pout.
FYI Joe Friday-
airplay is based on REQUESTS to radio stations, so that means there are thousands of requests from People that love Toby's music to reach the 60 million spin mark.
Don't be such a square, Pith. We all read you; no need to get all sadsack on us.
And intern, we call comment conversations "threads." Easy mistake to make. Go get us all some coffee now, please. Extra cream.
FYI Joe Friday-
Airplay is based on REQUESTS to radio stations. This means Thousands of fans loving Toby's music request in order for him to reach 60 million spins ranking.
Is RX Toby's fluffer? Geesh! We get that you absolutely love Moby Teeth. We get it. Really.
I actually like Deeter Pooper , too! He has great hair.
Mark Pee--
check with radio stations and you will find out. You might just learn something instead of bein a dumbazz.
to joby-- so you like hangin with the sh**t, that's your style with your bud peter pooper.
@RX-
As a disabled combat veteran that used to provide security for VIPs and media luminaries, I can tell you that TK going into the 'dangerzone' is bullshit. They wouldn't let any civilian with any level of importance into a hot area. Too much chance of attack, or kidnapping (which would make the military look bad). So shut the hell up. He's an ignorant redneck, who wants to pretend he's a tough guy, and as a bonus, he has a mild racist streak (which I was personally witness to)as well.
to Mark pee-
Check it out with radio stations. You might just learn something and it would elevate your dumbazz status.
to Joby--
your choice to hang with the sh***t and your friend peter pooper.
doughboy--
read the news from USO tour last year. It's all there. An attack on the base where Toby was performing. and it was NOT in the green zone. Try stretching what little brain cells you have.
It's "Deeter Pooper"
I never once said Peter. Get it right....rrrrrexxxx.
this is allsome. These comments rival the the great Chris Crofton battle some months ago. Thanks Cream!
doughboy--
I mean no dissrespect to you as a veteran, I just responded because it seems that no one reads the real news these days, just the gossip.
Here is the story from last year that was in the real news:
Mon., April 28, 2008
Country star Toby Keith was performing for U.S. troops in Afghanistan last week when the military base he was singing at came under fire, according to People.
Keith and his band were in the middle of the song “Weed With Willie” when mortar fire on the base in Kandahar erupted, sending the band and the troops looking for cover.
Once they were given the sign it was all clear, the country star returned to the stage, against the advice of military personnel.
“He went right to the verse he was in and finished his show!”
rx says:
Mark Pee--
LOL, he really got you there, Mark. He's calling you urine now. Very harsh tactic there. :-) Not to mention the fact that he still thinks listeners control what gets played on the radio. That's like saying American Idol voters get to pick the most talented singer each week. I've changed my mind about you, rx. I no longer think you work for Mr. Keith. I think you're simply a love-sick fan with a huge crush. It's kinda cute, really.
And DQ, that was a logical, valid argument you make there. And quite correct. However, I think it will be wasted in this instance. Love is blind, as they say.
I think I see the problem now. For someone to say "What idiots any of you are for believing lies and gossip." and then quote People as a source is the definition of irony. Let me ask you something, rx, do you really believe that anyone short of the President can do anything "against the advice of military personnel" when on a military base?
You really don't know Toby Keith, Joe Friday. Real men are rare, like Johnny Cash, Toby does what he does. He finished the show because that is what he does. He wasn't going to let the attack ruin the show.
That article was an excerpt from People, but the source was Curt Motley who was there with Toby. It was reported on AP as well as other reputable news sources.
and Joe Friday-- of course marketing with radios stations is a huge plus if you are an artist. But there are certain markets that play more songs of artists than others. Requests are huge indicators.
Frankly, I don't care to know people like Toby Keith. Redneck, loudmouth, bigot jackasses aren't my cup of tea. And I don't care what the source is. If the threat was as big as you're implying, then first off, he wouldn't be ALLOWED to finish the show, and secondly he DEFINITELY wouldn't be signing autographs in a bunker if his life was in danger. If Mr. Keith wants to show everyone how tough he is, he's more than welcome to enlist and go over there and actually do the job rather than run his mouth about how it should be done. Anyone who feels that bombing another country back to the Stone Age is a good thing really needs to get a more first-hand look at the results.
rx says:
and Joe Friday-- of course marketing with radios stations is a huge plus if you are an artist. But there are certain markets that play more songs of artists than others. Requests are huge indicators.
And the Easter Bunny dropped by my house for a few beers before heading off to work last Saturday night.
Can you really be this naive? You truly believe that listeners have a major influence over radio stations? Then tell me this. Why were the Spice Girls on the radio for so long?
joe Friday- really, you should research for yourself. The song 'Courtesy of Red White and Blue' reflected what was going on at the time. How we responded to 9-11 attack on U.S. soil. It does not say anything in the lyrics of bombing to the stone age. No one wants war. But our freedoms need to be protected so we can continue to be free.
And for radio, it is imperative for artists to build relationships with stations. With fans requesting songs in large numbers, the stations have to listen to that. Or they should. Radio really is a real time relationship between listeners and music.
How do you think Elvis got so much airtime in his day, a huge result was because of the demand from fans.
And let me guess, you think Sadam orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, right? And the Dixie Chicks had no right to be embarrassed about our former President, either? Am I correct?
As far as radio stations go, I think you have a big misconception about how radio USED to be and how it is NOW. Elvis got his playtime because he was good and the fans loved his songs. I'll bet Sun Records and RCA never paid to have him spun every 10 minutes. The same can't be said for modern-day Sony or Universal and the way they shove the current "it" artists down our throats.
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