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      <![CDATA[Donna:  the only "implied consent" I know of in Tennessee involves breathalyzer or BAC tests. I am not familiar with any Tennessee case establishing the implied consent to search a vehicle to which you refer.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>If I saw anyone, boss or not, trying to get into my car without my consent<<<br>
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A damn good way of getting one's ass kicked and/or shot.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, I would be interested to know of any such posted notices. But, still, you are referring to implied consent if someone parks in such a posted lot.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>"Told that he was fired and handed his last paycheck, Andrew Engeldinger pulled a Glock 9mm and went on a rampage Sept. 27, killing five people and wounding two before committing suicide."<<<br>
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Only in the liberal bizzaro world (redundant) do liberals not see how many laws were ILLEGALLY violated in this scenerio.<br>
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Illegal act #1: Engeldinger has not been determined to have a carry permit.<br>
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Illegal act #2: Engeldinger brandished a firearm with NO intent of self-defense.<br>
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Illegal #3: aggravated assualt by Engeldinger, to wit, shooting at people.<br>
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Illegal act #4: murder committed by Engeldinger, to wit, killing people by shooting & killing them.<br>
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Illegal act #5: discharging a firearm within city limits.<br>
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Illegal act #6: Engeldinger committing suicide.<br>
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Now, back to your premise........<br>
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John Harris' law: "Upon hearing gunshots in his workplace & knowing they shouldn't be heard there, liberal worker zombie retrieved his LEGALLY stored firearm from his vehicle. Using his training he learned in his TN carry permit class, zombie wounded the shooter, disarmed him & held him until police arrived 20-30 minutes AFTER the event ended.<br>
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Asked for a quote, zombie replied to the Scene, "I can't believe Engeldinger didn't abide by the law saying it is illegal to shoot one's fellow workers.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>If a restaurant or bar can ban guns on its premises, why shouldn't any other business be able to do so?<<<br>
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Because a restaurant or bar CANNOT ban firearms from the vehicles in their parking lots NOR can they inspect customer's cars in said parking lots.<br>
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You defeat your own premise with no help from anyone else. Great job, sir.
        
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      <![CDATA[John Harris employment law: "Told that he was fired and handed his last paycheck, Andrew Engeldinger pulled a Glock 9mm and went on a rampage Sept. 27, killing five people and wounding two before committing suicide."
        
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      <![CDATA[@Mark: "Donna: Imagine this: an employer posts a sign at the entrance to his employee parking area which says "No firearms allowed. Employee vehicles parked in this lot subject to search."
        
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      <![CDATA[Donna:  Imagine this: an employer posts a sign at the entrance to his employee parking area which says "No firearms allowed. Employee vehicles parked in this lot subject to search."
        
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      <![CDATA[Law or rule.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, you are prohibited by other laws, not the Fourth Amendment, which applies to the government. Other laws apply.
        
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      <![CDATA[Donna: no one - but you - ever suggested breaking into anything. Good night and have a pleasant weekend.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, the Fourth Amendment is separate from laws that would apply to a private citizen's breaking into and entering someone else's vehicle. The case you cite does not address that -- it concerns only the Fourth Amendment; government action -- and does NOT negate/prohibit the application of other laws in regard to private citizens' wrongful searches of others' vehicles.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>In my opinion bazookas, and silencers and tanks should be illegal, if they are not already. So fucking what?<br>
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I have always defended the right to keep and bear arms<<<br>
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That's like Al Sharpton pimping for the Klan.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>But I still contend it is illegal to own a fully functional tank and drive it around Nashville or Washington.<<<br>
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 Care to wager? Loser writes a check to the NRA for $100.
        
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      <![CDATA[Donna:  I never said carte blanche; I never implied carte blanche. What I have said (several times) is that it is incorrect to say that the law or the Constitution prohibits a private landowner from searching a car or anything else on his property.<br>
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It is, indeed, the fact that a civilian is NOT an agent of the government that makes the Fourth Amendment inapplicable to such cases.<br>
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In the example you cite, you might well choose not to search the vehicle on your property.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, nowhere in that ruling or anywhere have I read that private citizens, under whatever circumstance, have carte blanche, or possibly any right at all unless they are acting lawfully as an agent of the government, to enter and search another's vehicle without the owner's consent.<br>
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The case you refer to concerns Fourth Amendment application, as limited to government action. What the decision says, in my reading, is that a wrongful search or seizure conducted by a private party is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
        
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      <![CDATA[bobsguns, you horse's ass, my thinking that owning a tank or a silencer is illegal is a big "so what," and you keep harping on it. Ok, I will (again, as I have done before) concede to your I-read-Guns-and-Ammo knowledge that you can legally own a (disabled) tank, and you can have a (registered) silencer.
        
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      <![CDATA[Donna Locke:  Please feel free to read US v. Jacobsen, 466 U.S. 109 (1984) and tell me how you interpret it. The full text is available at <a href="http://www.animallaw.info/cases/caus466us109.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.animallaw.info/cases/caus466us1&hellip;</a>.
        
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      <![CDATA["You will be gratified to know that I agree with you on the views in that paragraph.<br>
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Our new relationship is making my skin crawl. Let's go back to you calling me names."<br>
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I don't know what happened to this comment on the site but I, for one, am thrilled that we are in agreement.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>As I have said many times, I am a gun owner and would certainly use one of my guns to defend myself or my family, and lethally if necessary.<<<br>
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Given your previous demonstration of your woeful lack of knowledge about the gun laws in the US & TN, this is probably THE worst possible thing YOU could ever do.
        
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      <![CDATA["Property owners can absolutely ask to search a car (or whatever personal effects, including blood and urine) or ask the person to leave their premises. If that means a person is asked to leave their place of employment, they are stupid for carrying contraband on the property of their employers."<br>
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Clearly you're confused.
        
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      <![CDATA[>>The most having a gun does is let you shoot back.<<<br>
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Hogwash.<br>
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There's repeated documented cases where simply showing a thug they were armed was enough for a citizen to remain unharmed. Every single one of these are documented by a news source, not word of mouth or "I knew someone who....."<br>
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Simply look at the NRA column of "The Armed Citizen" & read to your heart's content.<br>
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As for hitting the "broad side of a barn", I've already been involved in a shooting & did quite well, thankyouverymuch.
        
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      <![CDATA[Property owners can absolutely ask to search a car (or whatever personal effects, including blood and urine) or ask the person to leave their premises. If that means a person is asked to leave their place of employment, they are stupid for carrying contraband on the property of their employers.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, I am pretty sure you have misinterpreted the law in regard to private citizens' entering and searching others' vehicles without consent. The searched are not without recourse under the law.
        
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      <![CDATA[Says gast, "But the arguments really boils down to those who believe they need, and are willing to use, firearms for personal protection and those that think firearms represent all that is evil. "<br>
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Do they?
        
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