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      <![CDATA[Right Wingers Only understand one type of class. NO CLASS!!!
        
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      <![CDATA["It saved the taxpayers a bunch of money and the performance was just as good or better than it was previously."<br>
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That's not necessarily true. When custodians are employees of the schools system, they are generally assigned to a particular school.
        
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      <![CDATA[Donna, I know and it never will. I also don't think it would ever work because, like Communism, it requires a perfection of humans that we can never attain.
        
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      <![CDATA["The loans were made for the express purpose of selling them off to Fannie and Freddie. Fannie and Freddie solicited the banks to make them.
        
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      <![CDATA["Gilbert, I know of what I speak"<br>
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Even if I were to take your word for that, one ancectdotal incident doesn't prove your generic claim.<br>
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"our job is exceedingly complicated, ever changing"<br>
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And you think direct government employees have proven that they are better than private contractors at handing exceedingly complicated and every changing things?<br>
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Hardly.<br>
<br>
I doubt your job is anywhere near as complicated at designing, building and launching the rocket that took over the space shuttle's job of delivering payloads to the international space station for NASA. The private contractor Space X has done just that.<br>
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Private contractors build and construction just about everything the goverment buys.
        
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      <![CDATA[Chris, no truly free market has existed for this country in my lifetime, and I probably have some years on you. This argument is like the one that says U.S. border control isn't working: actually, it has never been tried.
        
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      <![CDATA["Classic Gilbert Martin comment. And one that can't be proven or disproven."<br>
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Like your fairy tale versions of history about Reagan and Clinton.
        
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      <![CDATA["Teachers are not."<br>
<br>
Teachers can be easily outsourced.<br>
<br>
It's called give parents a voucher to send their kids to any school that they want - including private schools.<br>
<br>
There's no proof that public school teachers are any better at teaching than private school teachers are.<br>
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      <![CDATA["There has never been any instance on earth where an increase either taxes or regulation caused an increase in productivity or an improvement in the economy."<br>
<br>
Classic Gilbert Martin comment. And one that can't be proven or disproven.<br>
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So Gast, in your view, George W. cleaned up the 2000 recession (which was about the most mild recession that we've ever had).
        
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      <![CDATA[Unskilled, entry-level work: "The school groundskeepers and custodial functions were outsourced."<br>
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Teachers are not.
        
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      <![CDATA[Charters schools: ultimately, about skimming public moneys off for private profit.
        
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      <![CDATA[Gilbert, I know of what I speak.<br>
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A private contractor was brought into my agency to "assist" us with our jobs. We all knew they would fail to meet their deliverables--our job is exceedingly complicated, ever changing, and we serve a massive number of Americans, but nobody could have imagined the scope of the contractor's failure.
        
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      <![CDATA["Look at private contractors who have been hired to take over government jobs. They tend to be abject failures "<br>
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That is nonsense.<br>
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There is an example of exactly the opposite in Metro schools . The school groundskeepers and custodial functions were outsourced.
        
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      <![CDATA["Since it is physically impossible for government to ever do anything that would produce an outcome superior to a pure hands off free market,"<br>
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Except for providing government services, which business is not equipped to do.<br>
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Look at private contractors who have been hired to take over government jobs. They tend to be abject failures at it, because business is in the business of making a profit, whereby government exists to provide services to people--it has no profit motive.
        
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      <![CDATA[CA:  No actual expert? I don't need one.
        
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      <![CDATA[There has never been any instance on earth where an increase either taxes or regulation caused an increase in productivity or an improvement in the economy.
        
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      <![CDATA[Gast always has a ready made talking point to explain away anything that happened during Republican administrations. No actual expert would agree with him but it doesn't hurt to try.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Kosh:  The Bush recession started with anti-redlining legislation from Jimmy Carter, was exacerbated by Clinton legislation in 1998, and guaranteed when needed legislation to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac was buried by Democrat Chris Dodd in 2004. Attacks blaming  "rich bankers" is a smoke screen to hide Democrat culpability.
        
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      <![CDATA["The Great Depression and the Bush Recession are two good examples. O! and the S&L disaster that Reagan and McCain aided and abetted as well."<br>
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Thanks for proving my point, Kosh.<br>
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Every one of those were caused by government meddling in the economy.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Kosh, you will never bend Gilbert. He's one of those guys who will just say we didn't reduce taxes and regulations enough.
        
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      <![CDATA["Middle class"  is being made more obsolete every week and month.<br>
While many developing countries are attempting to build one, this<br>
country is well on it's way to becoming the  Government class, and <br>
then all others. For some odd reason the Academics thinks that<br>
would not apply to them, after all, they have Tenure.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Kosh III]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[" impossible for government to ever do anything that would produce an outcome superior to a pure hands off free market,"<br>
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I am quite sure government could harm the economy just like the laissez-faire policies you worship have ruined the economy many times. The Great Depression and the Bush Recession are two good examples.
        
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      <![CDATA["In order to make policy that creates conditions where more people reach that threshold, we have to have our facts straight"<br>
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Since it is physically impossible for government to ever do anything that would produce an outcome superior to a pure hands off free market, the parameters of what constitutes the "middle class" is irrelevant. All government needs to do is start reducing it's inteference in (and drag on) the economy across the board (via regulation, taxing and spending) and that make for better conditions for all the classes.
        
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      <![CDATA[Jack, I love how you argue with my first comment, I repeat it, and then you agree with it. Brilliant.<br>
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I'm already looking forward to next week's "What is the Middle Class?" post.
        
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      <![CDATA[Small "d":<br>
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Thanks! I'm getting misty.
        
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