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      <![CDATA[Privatization immediately removes a great many of the monitorings, restraints, standards and plain old government regulations that are in effect in government run facilities. In other words, the foxes are setting the rules and pillaging the hen house.
        
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      <![CDATA[If I may return to the topic of the article regarding commercial prisons. We have this bloated prison population because of bad politics and reactionary legislation.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark: You'd seem to want to keep churches (and churchgoers) on the sidelines until this "meaningless debate" is concluded? I don't really understand your point here.
        
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      <![CDATA[Don't Ask,<br>
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"The best churches leave public policy by the wayside and work for the public good instead. Faith without works is dead."<br>
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Who defines "public good?"
        
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      <![CDATA[The Christian church has always had the mission of speaking truth to power and advocating for the poor and powerless in society, whether it faithfully carries out that mission or not, Mark. But no faction within the larger community of faith has the absolute right to demand that its particular form of orthodoxy become public policy.
        
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      <![CDATA[The best churches leave public policy by the wayside and work for the public good instead. Faith without works is dead.
        
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      <![CDATA[jdilla127,<br>
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It isn't the question of supporting or opposing on issues. My charge of hypocrisy deals with all the liberals who go absolutely nuts screaming about the 1st Amendment when conservative churches speak out on public policy but never make the same case against liberal churches.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Gast<br>
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Yes, the same Bible.. What translation are they all reading again?
        
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      <![CDATA[jdilla127,<br>
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You totally fail to understand. Or your liberal prejudices are so great that you don't think you need to actually think about what conservatives actually say.
        
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      <![CDATA[By the design of our study, we were comparing SAT patients' behavior before and after their treatment episode that qualified them for inclusion in the study. We were looking for "change" in behavior.
        
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      <![CDATA[@small "d":  Upon review, my last query was poorly worded. What I needed to ask: were social status origins and different substances in different circumstances noted in the final statistics?
        
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      <![CDATA[jdilla127:  Mark's amusement could probably stem from the fact that different churches are  promoting different  philosophies from the same bible. You, with all your common sense, missed that.<br>
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small "d":  I noticed you said nothing about recidivism rates.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Mark Rogers<br>
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You find it amusing that people criticize churches who do not align with their beliefs, and champion churches that do? I just call that common sense.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, <br>
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My company's research team conducted the largest substance abuse treatment (SAT) outcome study ever attempted in this country -- The Alabama Substance Abuse Treatment Outcome and Process (STOP) study. We tracked over 11,000 state-supported SAT patients who were admitted in 1991-92 (all of them) through eight different statewide administrative databases (e.g., tracking arrests, traffic crashes, etc) for a minimum of two years before treatment and two years after treatment.
        
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      <![CDATA[It would be great if private prisons worked to improve prisoners' education, job readiness, mental health and sobriety. What a wonderful dream.
        
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      <![CDATA[The criminal justice system is a governmental construct. Criminal law is created by government, enforced by government, and violations are prosecuted by government.
        
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      <![CDATA[If this Presbyterian group has a legitimate problem with private for profits,<br>
and I suspect they do, then a great deal of their credibility is lost in the<br>
co-opting with the ACLU when the letters hit these Governors officers!
        
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      <![CDATA[AWP,<br>
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Glenn Beck never opens his mouth {or writes} except to subtract from the sum of human knowledge. The Nazis had no interest is 'social justice' as we use the term.
        
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      <![CDATA[Well, Southern Beale, Glenn Beck says when you hear the words "social justice" you should run away fast because the Nazi's talked about "social justice" and we all know what happened after that!!!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm with you Alvin Lee! In fact, we should parachute all the commie ACLU'ers into Iran!
        
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      <![CDATA[The Presbyterian Office of Public Witness does some amazing social justice work. Today they sent me a petition to ban mountaintop removal mining.
        
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      <![CDATA[They should build a private prison and put All of the ACLU in it...Communists!
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Mark Rogers]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Bernie,<br>
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With government-operated programs the idea that you can withhold payments from providers is overly optimistic. What state government is going to do that to that?<br>
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I do agree that post-incarceration outcomes are important and should be included.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Min]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I support it, Mark, because I am morally and politically opposed to profiting from the incarceration of human beings. Such a system gives for-profit corrections companies a huge incentive to minimize or eliminate rehabilitation efforts, to spend millions lobbying for harsher criminal penalities, unfair drug laws, and mandatory sentencing, and to negotiate a guaranteed minimum of occupied cells.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Small "d" democrat]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Privatized prisons (as well as privatized halfway houses and privatized substance abuse treatment facilities) have no inherent reason to reduce recidivism and, to date, no funders have required the achievement of positive outcome measures that "Mark" lists. I fully support those performance measures but I would prefer post-incarceration or post-treatment behavioral measures (e.g., steady employment, reduced ER visits, no rearrests, etc).
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:05:36 -0600</pubDate>
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