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      <![CDATA[Thought gast was an atheist; needs to make up his mind, when he's ever in a right one.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Didn't america do away with JimCrow over 40 years ago? One of the main tools JimCrow voting laws used to keep black people from voting was the requirement to own property, disenfrachising black americans as well as the immigrant community in its entirety.
        
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      <![CDATA[I hear a lot of talk about the framers of the Constitution. This can be double talk.
        
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      <![CDATA[America has has installed and/or supported "monsters"  for decades. That's a fact.
        
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      <![CDATA[wfii,<br>
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"But I will vehemently disagree that I'm taking a "narrow view"of the Free Exercise and Establishment clauses."<br>
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If that is true, then why is it that the Courts had to overturn existing practices at the state and federal level that had been previously considered constitutional since 1789? Historically speaking, you are advocating an extremist position that the Framers and most Americans over the years would consider as perverse and reading the 2nd Amendment to allow citizens to own flamethrowers.
        
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      <![CDATA[wvfii:  "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion." A person could get the idea that the courts have perverted that little clause.
        
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      <![CDATA[Noted!
        
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      <![CDATA[@Betsy, Pete W., et al.:<br>
The so-called "tea parties" lack a central leadership and organizational structure. Judson Phillips is not a "Tea Party leader," as Betsy states; he is merely the founder of "Tea Party Nation" - the organizing entity of the so-titled "National Tea Party Convention" at Opryland.
        
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      <![CDATA[The founding fathers intended the new nation to serve the interests of merchants, property owners and other wealthy people who did not happen to be aristocracy and thus felt "oppressed" by the British. Restricting suffrage to white property-owning males was a consciously anti-democratic measure which has been repudiated by successive social changes bringing about more democracy (though flawed) over time.
        
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      <![CDATA["@ Gilbert Martin: I think one could easily make the argument that many entitlement programs DO benefit society at large, regardless if I use them directly (at the moment) or not."<br>
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And I say that no one is capable of empirically proving any such thing. Such claims are mere speculation and supposition.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["I submit that if you shouldn't be forced to pay for Social Security, then I shouldn't be forced to pay for the portion of the military budget used to fund overseas occupations. "<br>
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Hey that's fine with me.<br>
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You get to have your tax bill reduced for overseas military operations and I get to have my bill reduced for ALL entitlement/welfare programs of any type - Social Security, Medicare, federal support for Medicaid,  food stampts, etc. etc.<br>
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I guarantee you my percentage reduction in taxes paid will be significantly higher than yours - and will stay that way consistently over time.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[wvfii]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[yes yes we all know that the phrase "separation of church and state" does not *literally* appear in the Constitution. I certainly have not claimed otherwise.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["Your problem is that you are trying to claim a very narrow reading of the Establishment Clause that is actually of recent popularity as some sort of historic legal tradition. The first couple of hundred years of American constitutional history took a much less narrow view of the Establishment Clause"<br>
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Indeed.<br>
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The phrase "separation of church and state" that is claimed to be a "Constitutional principle" appears nowhere in the text of the First Amendment.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["I realize much good has been done by churches. But it doesn't change the fact that 1) they have done a lot of bad, in my not-so-humble opinion and 2) requiring me to fund their endeavors, regardless of merit, is unconstitutional - every bit as "unconstitutional" as one could ever deem Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Unemployment, etc."<br>
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The amount of federal tax money spent on such things is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the spending on all the entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, etc.<br>
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And yet you choose to harp on the former rather than the latter.<br>
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Quite strange.<br>
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["maybe we could pay taxes a la carte"<br>
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No - on a user fee basis.<br>
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You are using (i.e. benefitting from) military protection services that safeguard your life and property - regardless of whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not. You should therefore have to pay for your prorata share of it.
        
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      <![CDATA[wvfii,<br>
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"And it STILL does not change the fact that faith-based initiatives are clearly unconstitutional."<br>
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Like having 'In God We Trust' on our coins? Or the National Day of Prayer?
        
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      <![CDATA[To wivii:  You never heard of Madelyn Murray O'Hair? Really?
        
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      <![CDATA[so. the constitution only matters when it fits your agenda?
        
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      <![CDATA[To wvfii:  There are hypocrites and villains in all phases of life, not just religion. My thinking is, "Don't confuse the message with the messenger."
        
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      <![CDATA[Let me be very clear: I'm not arguing for taxing churches (In THIS particular thread. Though I've certainly posited the idea elsewhere, particularly when we see egregious examples of high-profile churches and religiously based 501(c)(3) groups politicking from the pulpit).<br>
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No, this time I'm simply talking about the tax dollars funneled into "Faith-based initiatives", without any safeguards put into place for proselytizing (a clear abuse of the Establishment Clause) and discrimination in hiring based on religion, even though these programs being publicly funded.
        
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      <![CDATA[wvfii,<br>
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Part of protecting freedom of religious expression is preventing government from taxing unpopular groups out of existence. Think of it as establishment by negation.
        
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      <![CDATA[We're gonna get that damn brain-bug and win this war!
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Judson's Clocktower]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[All Judson is saying is that only white men should be allowed to vote. That's exactly what the Founding Fathers intended.<br>
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Do you disagree, Judson?
        
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      <![CDATA[Well said, Betsy. <br>
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If Phillips is serious about original intent, why stop at property owners?
        
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      <![CDATA[Judson Phillips = originalism run amok. Indeed the Framers believed in certain restrictions for voting, property ownership among them.
        
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