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Mephisto STILL has no coherent rationale for why the judges involved in Roe vs Wade know better what the intent of the founding fathers was regarding the Constitutionality of abortion laws than the judges who lived in the ACTUAL TIME of the founding farthers who never invalidated any such laws for that reason when they were enacted back then.
Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 13:17:36 -0500 Nashville Scene
GM, it's really galling that you have the nerve to accuse me of not having an answer for your poorly written gibberish when you have refused, again, again, and again, to answer my call for intellectual honesty on your part, and when you consistenty dodge (or just mock) questions you don't like.

The really stupid thing about your last completely juvenile and incoherent post is that I DID answer that statement. You, coward that you are, refused to answer my rebuttal, instead spewing (like a frickin 2-year old brat) that I am "full of it."

It's galling, but then again, it is pretty funny to watch you show the rest of us what an idiot you are.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 11:03:22 -0500 Nashville Scene Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 10:40:55 -0500 Nashville Scene Posted by LHound]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 10:03:25 -0500 Nashville Scene Posted by Sarcastro]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 09:39:17 -0500 Nashville Scene Oh, and you forgot to insult his mama while you were at it."

LOL - Ah damn! I won't forget next time, I promise.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 09:25:49 -0500 Nashville Scene Meph - Thank you for heroicly wasting your time so no one else had to.
Posted by LHound]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 09:21:21 -0500 Nashville Scene
You are going to be banned from the board because of your mouth. I think you deserve, say, 30 days off.
Posted by john]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 09:03:41 -0500 Nashville Scene I'm pro-choice, but it does not include that act of murderous savagery.

You're full of it Mephisto.

I'm tired of taking ad hominum arguments from a couple of wanna-be intellectuals. GM, I've proven you a sham over and over again on this thread, and you've done nothing but prove again and again that you're a coward who obviously has no ability whatsoever to think for himself.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Tue, 03 May 2005 08:00:56 -0500 Nashville Scene
The paramters of the legality of abortion dwelt in the democratic state legislative arena for over a hundrend years before it was yanked out of it by judges who claimed to see something in the Constitution related to it - something that those who lived in the founding fathers time never saw that prevented any abortion laws from being created.

I'd say that had a pretty big effect of "changing democracy" - all cheered on by liberals like bb.
Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 22:11:24 -0500 Nashville Scene Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 21:56:18 -0500 Nashville Scene
I'm pro-choice, but it does not include that act of murderous savagery.
Posted by john]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 21:30:53 -0500 Nashville Scene
Yes, since you're asking, I would.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 20:16:11 -0500 Nashville Scene
What sayeth thou, Mephisto?
Posted by john]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 18:25:14 -0500 Nashville Scene They obviously didn't consider it to be a Constitutional "right" back then. No, you're missing the point. It was legal until the states outlawed it.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 17:10:06 -0500 Nashville Scene
No it wasn't legal.

Check out this syopsis of the history of abortion in the United States.
Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 17:03:14 -0500 Nashville Scene No Mephistio, what I'm saying is that since the founding fathers never allowed abortion to be legalzied in their time - that's pretty clear evidence that they DIDN'T consider it part of any rights included in the 4th or 9th Amendments.

It WAS legal.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:39:44 -0500 Nashville Scene
Not in the least - it's merely a statement of physical facts - regardless of anyone's views of what is right or wrong or philosophy of govt.

Ultimately any decision is up to whoever has the power to force their way onto others - that's just all there is to it.

If you had been living in the old Soviet Union, your life would be subject the Communist Party's decisions regardless of what is right or wrong because they had the power.

Like I said before, it's the same reason you have to pay social security now rather you want to or not - because the govt has the power to make you do it - regardless of whether it's actually Constitutional or not.
Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:39:00 -0500 Nashville Scene Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:34:22 -0500 Nashville Scene Not everthing I say is adressed to you Mephistio, tjhat part of my post was replying to BB.

Gotcha. No problem.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:29:54 -0500 Nashville Scene Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:28:14 -0500 Nashville Scene Ultimately everything is "up to" whoever has the power to force their way on everbody else by whatever means they can do it."

Ok, here we come full circle to your silly draconian madness. I've answered the valid points (and even some invalid ones) that you've asked me to answer.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:19:50 -0500 Nashville Scene That's what my question is about, Mephisto, the one that you claim you "can't make sense of". You say that's applicable to abortion.
Posted by Mephistophocles]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:16:02 -0500 Nashville Scene
The only one ranting is you Mephisto, I'm not one squaking about, Nazi's etc.

And the discussion isn't about "who it's up to" It's about the legitimacy of the rationale that judges have used to rule on what is and isn't Constututional.

Ultimately everything is "up to" whoever has the power to force their way on everbody else by whatever means they can do it.

That's why it's been "up to" those judges who say the government can force you to participate in social security to make it stick.
Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 16:10:01 -0500 Nashville Scene
"Explain why something you claim is included in the "freedom" they believed in was never a fredom allowed by them.

Mephisto replies:
"GM, I apologize, but I can make no sense of that statement whatsoever. If you'll rephrase it, I'll be happy to answer it."

Mephisto also says:

"From the fourth, I take the "right of the people to be secure in their persons" as being most applicable to abortion."

That's what my question is about, Mephisto, the one that you claim you "can't make sense of".
Posted by Gilbert Martin]]> Mon, 02 May 2005 15:59:33 -0500 Nashville Scene