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      <![CDATA[Your googling skills certainly trump my clumsy attempts to deride the administration's attempt to say and do the opposite of what seems appropriate.
        
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      <![CDATA[Maybe if the same braintrusts who think that randomly taking excerpts from 1984 actually understood the context in which it was written they might abandon their commie ways. However unlikely, I'd still invite them to read Orwell/Blair's thoughts on pacifism being pro-fascist.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/pacifism/english/e_patw" rel="nofollow">http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/pacifism/english/e_patw</a><br /><br />I humbly await more Nazi comparisons from this throng of mental giants.
        
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      <![CDATA[That's right. Don't address the main point that no Middle Eastern country was ever going to allow our Army to engage in a manhunt in their territory.
        
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      <![CDATA[The Minitrue has been notified of your insolence.
        
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      <![CDATA[WAR IS PEACE<br /><br />FREEDOM IS SLAVERY<br /><br />IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
        
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      <![CDATA[The Flypaper Theory was dreamed up by supporters of the war when the first reason - WMD - didn't pan out. Remember Bush and "Bring 'em on"?
        
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      <![CDATA[I have no reason or desire to respond to smantix' insanely childish (as usual) post, but he reminded me of another good point made by Juan Cole:<br /><br /><i>"This is monstrous and ridiculous at once. The people in Fallujah and Ramadi were not sitting around plotting terrorism three years ago.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yes, let's assume that every country in the middle east wasn't going to allow our Yankee Combat Boots to clodhop through the territories of every tinpot dictator chasing after a terrorist they sympathize with. It would be more moral to fight them 8 to 19 at a time in New York.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for the links, BB - several excellent points made by both parties.<br /><br />From Cole -<br /><i>"The fact is that the US went in and convinced the Sunni Arabs of Iraq that we were going to screw them over royally, driving them into violent opposition. They aren't inherently terrorists and could have been won over."</i><br /><br />This is very true, and further drives home the point that the invasion of Iraq was pointless as far as the "war on terror" was concerned.
        
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      <![CDATA[WB - You'll probably get an answer to that around the same time they announce us devising an exit strategy from the failed War on Poverty.
        
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      <![CDATA[Man, lots of vitriol here between a few people. My question is when will our troops come home from Bosnia?
        
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      <![CDATA[Couple of links:<br /><br /><a>Juan Cole's</a> post-mortem of the speech is worth a look.<br /><br />Also good is David Corn's <a>takedown</a> of the speech, which includes this on the specific matter of Iraq as the nexus of the so-called war on terror:<br /><br /><i>Bush continued to maintain that Iraq is "a central front in the war on terror." How did he prove this case?
        
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      <![CDATA[<i>I think I was sanctioned for a "reference." What is that?</i><br /><br />That's shorthand for a post that either quotes the offensive material (so therefore repeats it) or refers to it in a way that the elimination of the original post makes the referring post opaque and meaningless.<br /><br /><i>Is it possible to leave up the messages and just replace the offensive remarks with asteriks?</i><br /><br />The Pithmaster reserves the right to do that (e.g., a small transgression in an otherwise expansive, Pulitzer Prize-winning comment), but as a general matter the Pithmaster isn't occupying the role of a copy editor of people's comments.
        
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      <![CDATA[To get back to the basics (and leave out emotion) - Before the war:<br />1. One top general told Congress that we would need several hundred thousand soldiers to accomplish our goals.<br />2.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm glad I aimed my remarks at Bush....<br />:)
        
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      <![CDATA["You can **** my ***, ALL of you ****** ******* ******* ********...I don't give a flying **** if you haven't got the brains to blow your nose, you *******! EAT **** AND ***!"<br />Yeah, that's certainly going to raise the discussion to a new level...I'm all for asterisks.
        
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      <![CDATA[btw - my last comment - that was a joke, okay?
        
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      <![CDATA[Deep breaths, people.
        
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      <![CDATA[Is it posible to leave up the messages and just replace the offensive remarks with asteriks?<br /><br />Is that too much to ask for you ***** *** ***** ******   ** *** **** ***!
        
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      <![CDATA[That is a low threshold for "offensive" considering the fecal stained commentary hitherto.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think I was sanctioned for a "reference." What is that?
        
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      <![CDATA[Jay, <br /><br />You must pull yourself together. You are a good conservative, I know it in my heart.
        
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      <![CDATA[Three more comments deleted (two offensive, and one reference). If you can't restrain yourself from hurling personal insults, then please don't comment.
        
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      <![CDATA["I'm not an idiot, YOU'RE an idiot!"<br />"No, I'm not a moron, YOU'RE a moron!"<br />"My personal opinions are more valid that YOUR personal opinions!"<br />"I'm better informed because I read the newspaper upside down in the toilet!"<br />"I know more because I have CNN wired into my cortex!"<br />"Our people are smarter than YOUR people!"<br />"My beliefs have more merit than YOUR beliefs!"<br />"<br />"You Evangelistic Republicans suck!"<br />"You Liberal, Godless Democrats suck!"<br />...and the band plays on.<br />What can we agree on? How about we love our families, we hope nothing like 9/11 occurs again, we miss the men and women who are serving, sorrow for the ones who have died or been injured...what else?
        
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