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      <![CDATA[My son was hit by a truck while changing a tire on a freeway in Kansas City Mo. in 1998, he was 17 just days before his 18th birthday, He was hit so hard it knocked his leg completely behind him up to his shoulder, and split his head open in several places,(he had full coverage insurance at the time) my son wasn't susposed to last the night, but he did and I've never seen in the last 11 years, the most terrible treatment of a person as what my son has endured, he was thrown in a nursing home to die just weeks after the accident, in a solid coma, I had to move my son 9 different times because of the abuse and neglect, the 1st place he laid in feces for hours while I was working, then I would have to clean him up, he developed bed sores,(common in nursing homes) still had insurance, moved to another facility, which claimed to be a rehab facility, while there, the nursing home sapped the insurance company saying they were giving him occupational theraphy, and physical theraphy,excuse me to a comatose patient, I never saw them do a thing, while there he got more bed sores, a hugh knot on the back of his neck and nearly died from several pnuemonias, the facility dropped my son and nobody reported it so for the next few months my son was in extreme pain, to where he was drawn up like a ball, the nursing home called me and said to relieve my son they were going to cut the nerves in his shoulders, THEY DIDN'T TELL ME THAT HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RAISE HIS ARMS AGAIN! because of the poor treatment in that facility, Jim developed a lung condition and had to have assisted oxygen, the nursing home couldn't put up with me holding them accountable, so they moved him out of state, from Ks to Mo wait til you hear the rest of the story, if interested contact me at jtrinidad@kc.rr.com, there is much more and everyone needs to know, you wouldn't want anyone to go through what my son has gone through
        
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      <![CDATA[Peter, you are absolutely right about the insurance companies. The story about your leg is sickening but not surprising.<br />
Unfortunately, it's even worse than that.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark:<br />
I don't have a lot of time today to come back to this, but I do want to briefly address your points, in the order you made them:<br />
1. When I was talking about how big pharma and insurance companies have changed healthcare, I wasn't talking about eliminating them.
        
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      <![CDATA[the insurance companies have run amok over americans for years and it's time to stop them. they charge whatever they want and hold you prisoner w/ "pre-existing" exclusions if you have ever once had a proceedure ( i broke my leg and they excluded anything that ever would happen to my leg).
        
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      <![CDATA[Boyd,<br />
A few points:<br />
1) Without big pharma and the insurance industry both public and private health care would look different. They might even look worse.
        
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      <![CDATA[The Republicans argue that putting government in charge of health care is unamerican because our country is founded on capitalism, and therefore health care should be provided by private industry and profit motivated.<br />
My Republican Senator from NH, Judd Gregg, believes that private health care is the American way, and should be run for profit. He also says the government shouldn't compete because it's not fair.
        
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      <![CDATA["What makes Medicare non-viable for the long term as presently configured is not the concept of Medicare itself -- which was perfectly viable for several decades after the program began..."<br />
I disagree.<br />
I think the concept of anything being an entitlemnet at all in the first place is the root of the problem.<br />
The social security retirement system is also a big mess and it has nothing to do with healthcare costs.<br />
"Besides, what makes you think Medicare involves more of a "something for nothing" than private health insurance?"<br />
Because absent government invlovement/mandates, the assumption of risk is a voluntary transaction by both parties entering into the insurance contract. In a free market system insurance would be priced on the individual risk of the insured at the time the policy was purchased.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mark, two quick points:<br />
First, there's politics in every aspect of healthcare TODAY -- so it would be hardly surprising that politics would continue to play a role in healthcare even with greater federal involvement. I realize your point is that politics would get worse, and maybe it would.
        
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      <![CDATA[Boyd Biggs,<br />
Granted that there are many examples of excellent VA care, it is also true that many VA hospitals serve very small patient populations. However it is politically impossible to close such facilities, regardless of the costs.<br />
That is a helpful reminder that the greater the federal government's share of health care and the greater its control, the more that politics rather than markets will dominate.
        
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      <![CDATA[What makes Medicare non-viable for the long term as presently configured is not the concept of Medicare itself -- which was perfectly viable for several decades after the program began. It's the cost escalation in healthcare overall and the aging of the US population.
        
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      <![CDATA[This is one of the things I am afraid of, that too much emphasis will be placed on getting the uninsured treated and forgetting that there are millions of us struggling to keep our own insurance and financial burdens afloat. Luckily, there are companies like  <a href="http://www.ushealthgroup.com/main/" rel="nofollow">US Healthgroup</a> that care about the insured and try to make sure everyone has insurance coverage they need, and at a lesser cost than Washington is pitching.
        
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      <![CDATA["Patient surveys show an extremely high level of overall satisfaction with Medicare."<br />
Most people do like to get stuff that is mostly being paid for by somebody else.<br />
That doesn't make it a viable system.
        
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      <![CDATA["Yes, never let facts get in the way of a groundless assertion"<br />
Like Kotz's original claim that public health care's admininstrative costs are lower than the private sector - which is flat out wrong.<br />
And all the phony squealing about the "crisis" of the 43 M uninsured people.<br />
And the Obama administration's BS about health care "reform" being necesseary to "fix" the economy. The recession and the financial credit freeze weren't caused by healthcare expenses and "reform" won't have anything to do with "fixing" it.<br />
You liberals can keep tap dancing and spinning around about healthcare all you want.<br />
The fact is that Medicare and Medicaid are abject fiscal failures.
        
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      <![CDATA[<i>I don't know why my comments over here end up in a black hole awaiting "blog owner's approval"</i><br />
The system does that automatically when a  commenter embeds via HTML, I believe, more than one link (a comment spam preventive measure, presumably). It does that to me, it does it to everyone.
        
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      <![CDATA[The NY Times just ran a big expos&eacute; of horrible quality in brachytherapy procedures at a VA Hospital in Philadelphia. Of course, I know Gilbert doesn't believe the allegations, since they came from the Times.<br />
The VA System has indeed been plagued by some serious quality problems.
        
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      <![CDATA[Boyd and Bruce said it better than me. I defer to the wiser.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't know why my comments over here end up in a black hole awaiting "blog owner's approval" but suffice it to say, I've made my views known <a href="http://sobeale.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-were-fighting-for.html" rel="nofollow">on my blog many times</a>.<br />
I want health<i>care</i> while Washington is focused on health <i>insurance</i>. We aren't even debating the same thing anymore.
        
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      <![CDATA[As I've stated many, <a href="http://sobeale.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-public.html" rel="nofollow">many</a> times, most western countries offer public healthcare with a private option, while we're debating doing it back-asswards. The other problem, which I've stated many, <a href="http://sobeale.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-were-fighting-for.html" rel="nofollow">many</a> times, is that progressives want health<i>care</i> while Washington is focused on health <i>insurance</i>.
        
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      <![CDATA[<i>Just like the VA Hospital. Now there a shining example of quality care using taxpayer dollars efficiently.</i><br />
Yes, never let facts get in the way of a groundless assertion.
        
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      <![CDATA["In the case of publicly funded healthcare, the incentives are to (a) ensure the delivery of high quality care and (b) control costs and manage taxpayer dollars effectively."<br />
Uh Huh.<br />
Just like the VA Hospital.<br />
Now there a shining example of quality care using taxpayer dollars efficiently.<br />
LOL
        
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      <![CDATA[The private sector has been no more successful than the public sector in containing rising costs. Managed care was envisioned as a cost-control strategy, but it was quietly written off as a failure.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Blue Cross is one of the entities that is getting costs shifted onto THEM because of Medicare and Medicaid.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:24:48 -0500</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Those programs cap reimbursement rates for procedures that are below the providers costs so they try to make up the difference by shifting the costs onto private patients.<br />
And you don't think Blue Cross is doing the same? Really!
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[And here is the debunking of the claim that government run healthcare is more administratively efficient:<br />
<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/27/the_adminstrative_cost_benefit_myth_97193.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/27/the_adminstrative_cost_benefit_myth_97193.html</a>
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Gilbert Martin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["fellow Republicans, and many Democrats in Congress tell it, we somehow owe a debt to the people responsible for the inefficiency and high cost in our health care system."<br />
"Owe a debt"?<br />
Explain to me why anyone "owes" it to anyone else to subsidize their healthcare costs in any way to begin with.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:13:06 -0500</pubDate>
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