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Re: “Poll Dancing: How Marsha Blackburn Misreads the Numbers on Obamacare

OK. AnglRdr, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with both points. Capitalism is indeed amoral. In my haste, I did confuse amoral with immoral.

Also, I do agree that communism, like pure capitalism, are unworkable. (At least, I think that's what you're saying.) A system that is somewhere in between is the only solution. However, we may disagree on where that system should be in relation to the center.

My issue was with Min's characterization of business owners as greedy bastards out to screw employees. It's rhetoric that I have heard all too often from some who actually believe it. They choose to play the victim that's continually screwed by 'the man'.

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Posted by logiman on 09/25/2013 at 2:58 PM

Re: “Poll Dancing: How Marsha Blackburn Misreads the Numbers on Obamacare

Specifically, what is amoral about capitalism?

"no pure economic system can survive for long, not capitalism, nor communism, or anything in between or otherwise"

Quite the cynic. What do you suggest we do?

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Posted by logiman on 09/25/2013 at 2:36 PM

Re: “Poll Dancing: How Marsha Blackburn Misreads the Numbers on Obamacare

Posted by Min "That isn't because the AHA is a "bad" law. That's because some employers are greedy bastards who will use any excuse to screw employees."

Please don't tell me that you believe that. If you opened your own business, do you open it to screw employees? In a capitalist economy, a business exists to create value for it's owners... period. That is moral and a workable model. Communism does not work.

Although most employers want to provide a positive work experience, a business does not exist to create value for it's employees. Sorry. But, that's just life. If you wish it to be otherwise, try opening your own business.

Very few businesses have profit margins large enough to support dramatic cost increases. So, the response to dramatically higher health care costs is pretty simple. When costs rise, something must be done to manage that. If the market will not bear the additional cost via a price increase, then the cost must be contained in some other manner. In this case, the employee loses. It is not the business owner's fault that he cannot pass the increased cost on to the market. So let's get off this BS of blaming the greedy businessman/woman.

Instead of spouting the pro-union rhetoric of blaming the greedy business owner, you could instead blame the greedy consumer for not wanting to fund health care increases out of their wallets. Either argument is idiotic.

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Posted by logiman on 09/25/2013 at 2:26 PM

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