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Re: “Partying Like It's 1989: Taylor Swift Goes Pop, Returns To Singing About Living in a Big ol’ City

Out of curiosity, am i the only one who thinks the 80s sound to which critics keep referring is all in the marketing for this thing? Nothing about this sounds anything like what i remember from '89, even with the help of Wikipedia jogging my memory. I get there being a divide between influence and the finished product - as well there should be, or otherwise it's just shameless aping. But i have to wonder if anyone else maintaining these references actually remembers what music sounded like back then.

Pop music in 1989 was a sloppy crossroads of genres. Metal had reached its pop apex, hip and today's "urbanized" r&b were only just getting a foothold on the charts, and most proper top 40 pop was essentially throwback soul/R&B (Taylor Dayne, Paula Abdul, Milli Vanilli) using synthesizers to emulate real instruments including, but not limited to: big, reverbertaed Linn drums (that 808 thump was rarely heard by then), obnoxious slappy funk bass (driving, dotted synth-bass lines got left behind with the 808's), chorus-y pianos and gawdy horn simulations. Also, these kinds of dynamics were really uncommon in pop before Nevermind taught everyone how to loud-quiet-loud.

There's definitely new-wave influence here, but these beats are more akin to Depeche Mode, and even then, my guess is she was more influenced by the Drive Soundtrack than Violator (yes, i know that came out in 1990). And yes, you can pretty much draw that lineage with any genre of electronic music.

And of course, so far as song melodies, hoks, etc it's echoed here that this is all very post-Lorde/ Katy Perry/Lana Del Rey kinda stuff. So yeah. Anyone else who's heard this a few times actually hear any 1989 in this?

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Posted by Seth Graves on 10/28/2014 at 7:22 PM

Re: “Update: Miranda Whitcomb Pontes Behind the Changes at Dino's?

Miranda no longer owns Josephine or Prima.

Posted by Donna 22 on 10/28/2014 at 6:22 PM

Re: “The Daily Links: Bach, Taylor Swift, and Gluten

yoyo, you keep saying the same things over and over because you don't have any actual facts or evidence to support your rants.

I have no idea how old you are, but I hope you are very young. I want you to live long enough to experience the consequences of continuing to ignore the facts staring you in the face. The planet will suffer, but there will be some satisfaction in knowing you will finally realize how wrong you have been.

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Posted by Fox Sucks on 10/28/2014 at 6:04 PM

Re: “America, Pho Yeah

it was Ifuku.

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Posted by loveandnachos on 10/28/2014 at 6:04 PM

Re: “America, Pho Yeah

What was the poorly named chinese on Charlotte from a few years ago??? I cannot remember

Posted by the king of fuh on 10/28/2014 at 5:58 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

"Magnet schools were designed for accelerated students to face a more challenging academic dynamic."

While this may have been the original design and intent for the academic magnets, they have been far removed from that, now, by policy. The seats are increasingly filled, not with high-achieving, advanced, "accelerated" students, but with ever growing (overwhelming) numbers of students who have long histories of Basic and Below Basic skills. Central office seems to have as its mission to dismantle the academic magnets; every year they mandate yet more policy to force the academic magnets to operate just like all the other zoned schools, to the detriment of their missions. As it would be untenable to decimate the schools outright, they are doing it bit by bit by sabotage.

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Posted by keepingMyHeadLow on 10/28/2014 at 5:48 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

Magnets do "cherry pick" in that there's an admission standard before a student is eligible to participate in the lottery. Quibble about whether that standard is too low amongst yourself.

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Posted by Mark Mays on 10/28/2014 at 5:32 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

I think that is putting your head in the sand. Or, rather, since you might acknowledge that illegitimacy is a problem, it is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Here's a suggestion: Comprehensive sex ed and family planning in school, along with free birth control, with a side of that superiority.

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Posted by Diatribean!! on 10/28/2014 at 5:29 PM

Re: “The Daily Links: Bach, Taylor Swift, and Gluten

But the Greenies and Obama can't seem to make up their minds as to exactly what is happening with the climate. Over the last forty years:

"As you may recall, the environmental movement originally sounded the alarm over global cooling, then global warming, prior to the climate change appellation. The Obama White House, which is pushing for various regulatory and policy initiatives to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, has adopted “climate disruption” as the new descriptor."…

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Posted by yoyo moi on 10/28/2014 at 5:27 PM

Re: “America, Pho Yeah

They really need to improve the pho-king graphic in the middle of their pho-king logo if they truly want to amp up the double entendre possibilities...

Posted by pogo on 10/28/2014 at 5:21 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

From Amy Frogge again:
So what do charter schools want when they convert existing traditional schools to charters?

(1) They want to take over one grade at a time. They are unwilling to accept the entire school's population. This is a way to control student population, which helps them ensure better test scores.

(2) They want an up-and-coming schools with good parent involvement. This explains why KIPP rejected Napier as an option for conversion, but continues to push for Inglewood Elementary School, even though IES parents, community members and staff have made it quite clear they absolutely do not want a charter school. ("[The executive director of KIPP] did say the performance data for [Inglewood Elementary School} make it clear it has 'high potential' for conversion.")

Here's what they don't want: a hostile school takeover with lots of protests and bad press. This destroys their PR narrative that parents desperately want more charter schools. (See article in first comment below.)

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Posted by Jim Collins on 10/28/2014 at 5:05 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

I think that talking illegitimacy is a waste of time--it's a red herring that serves no purpose except for making others feel superior.

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Posted by AnglRdr on 10/28/2014 at 4:56 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

AnglRdr - I don't think your first sentence is correct/logical; it looks backwards (en/discourage). I'd also say that slut-shaming in 2014 is nothing compared to 1984 or 1954.

To your last question: I think we can both multitask and specialize. Multitask in addressing two issues at once (the present and the future); and specialize as me focusing on what I think is most important.

It can sometimes seem impolite to talk illegitimacy. Or even illegitimacy combined with race (that's 70% in the black community). Well, it exists and it creates a ton of problems that should not be ignored. I can't tell if you advocate ignoring the issue or you find another issue more important.

Individual situations are individual situations. Part of this conversation is acknowledging this and realizing that everyone does the best they can with the hand they are dealt. It should not be a personal affront to anyone to say something that is a fact if the end goal is to make other people's lives better (on balance, yada, yada).

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Posted by Diatribean!! on 10/28/2014 at 4:52 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

Might I suggest another tack, D?

How about empowering all parents, all families, regardless of their makeup, to be advocates for their children's education. And, then when some of those parents fail (because some will because they're human and some humans are just not very good at it), make sure their kids have suitable substitute advocates who will champion those kids instead.

There are a couple of ways we can do this: the first of which is raising the minimum wage so that it keeps it and wages above it apace with inflation. Secondly, requiring paid sick leave, so that children who are sick can stay home with a parent rather than being forced to go to school. Third, much better social work supports co-located with schools--Head Start has had very good success with interventions it takes with poor pre-K kids' families--those interventions shouldn't stop at kindergarten. They need to continue throughout a child's academic career.

Granted, this will take away the platform some of us love to jump on from which we waggle our finger at poor kids and their families and blame them for their poverty while simultaneously not doing anything constructive to help them out of it. But I think I'm okay with that.

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Posted by AnglRdr on 10/28/2014 at 4:51 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

There is no way to force people to remain married, where one or both partners no longer wish to be married. We can talk about it, until we're blue in the face, but we still need to figure out what to do to help students succeed now, without penalizing them for their parents' choices.

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Posted by Min on 10/28/2014 at 4:49 PM

Re: “Florida Georgia Line Says 'Girl' 42 Times on Anything Goes, aka 'The Worst Album Ever'

Kim Fowley made "The Worst Record Ever Made" many years ago in 1967. Is the Florida Georgia Line album even worse? I'm going to say yes even though I haven't heard it.…

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Posted by Pete Wilson on 10/28/2014 at 4:42 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

Jim - If I'm a head of a money-making company, I'm going to hire all women and save me some money.

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Posted by Diatribean!! on 10/28/2014 at 4:41 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

We discourage single-parent families all of the time, by not allowing married couples to collect welfare benefits, for example. We discourage single parent families by slut-shaming women who get pregnant out of wedlock.

And yet, for all that discouraging, it still happens.

But, while I agree with your ideal, whose life is ideal? What does the woman whose husband decides being a dad isn't what he really wants?

I became a single parent by not-my-choice. What would you have suggested I do?

But once all of that is over, we will still have children who are being raised by single parents, generally mothers. What do we do about it? (By the by, over half of first babies are born outside of marriage now--it might be our new normal.)

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Posted by AnglRdr on 10/28/2014 at 4:36 PM

Re: “Register Flips, Hasn’t Ruled Out Giving Inglewood Elementary to KIPP

I'm not sure what a "conversation" about poverty would do. I was just following the lead of the original poster.

To be more direct: As a country, as a society, down to the community level, we could do more to support and encourage two-parent families and discourage single-parent families.

There are new kids being born every day. For many, it is not difficult to map out a general path in life (good or bad). Saying the kids are already born let's not discuss the elephant-in-the-room consigns all those not yet born to their fates; and, if there is something we can do to lift up future generations, perhaps we should at least have a conversation about it.

Jim - you miss the point. You want to keep people out of poverty? There's one way that will impact a lot of people (some maybe not yet born, but we are in this for the long run). Let's converse about it.

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Posted by Diatribean!! on 10/28/2014 at 4:30 PM

Re: “Downtown Presbyterian Church celebrates 20 years of supporting artists

Hey John! Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. A really remarkable story about a remarkable building and the remarkable people who continue to defy expectations in their energy and creativity.

Posted by Joe Nolan on 10/28/2014 at 4:21 PM

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