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Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

The people who benefit the most from white privilege are the least likely to recognize it.

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Posted by slantyeyes on 04/23/2014 at 8:32 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

My mother is Japanese and we had a server trying to school her (massively incorrectly, too).

Are chicken meatballs authentic? How about the hush puppies? And where is the octopus in the sunomono? Blink and you'll miss them.

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Posted by haponaise on 04/22/2014 at 7:40 PM

Re: “White privilege, ethnic kabuki and old problems with the New Nashville

2 side points: 1, I question the judgment of anyone who chooses to have a pitcher of margaritas across the street from Two Ten Jack (unless you meant at Eastland Cafe); enjoyed your article anyway though. 2, What is up with the place not allowing takeout for their ramen? Really??? And they claim to be unpretentious? Next time I'm bringing tupperware.

Posted by marypop on 04/21/2014 at 4:59 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

Very well said Mr. Burke!

East Nashvillian!

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Posted by audiospaceship on 04/21/2014 at 10:31 AM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

I'm starting to feel like the people always complaining about hipsters are more annoying than the hipsters themselves...

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Posted by Cashville on 04/19/2014 at 8:48 AM

Re: “White privilege, ethnic kabuki and old problems with the New Nashville

Article is a mess and this opinion should be written on a personal blog and not a publicly distributed article. Funny though given this man's distaste for contrived authenticity you figure he would go after the worst offender of all...M Street. They have (successfully) taken just about every popular ethnic cuisine and "sexy-fied" it to a point where its not even about the food itself.

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Posted by obdb on 04/18/2014 at 1:17 PM

Re: “White privilege, ethnic kabuki and old problems with the New Nashville

A classic story to sum up this rather critical and scattered article:
a father and a son were walking a donkey to market. At first neither rode the donkey and bystanders complained that both of them were stupid for not riding the animal. So then the father told his son to get on the donkey, but bystanders complained that the son was horrible to make his old father walk behind. So they switched, but now the townsfolk complained that the father was arrogant to make his son walk behind. So both of them climbed atop the donkey. Sure enough bystanders lamented the cruelty of the father and son to both ride upon the poor beast. Finally, the father and son picked the donkey up above their heads and decided to carry it the rest of the way to town. Just as they were crossing a bridge, the donkey kicked and they accidentally dropped the animal into the river below where it drowned. The moral of the story was if you try to please everyone, you'll eventually end up with nothing for your efforts.

These people are simply making Japanese food .

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Posted by ewill3616 on 04/18/2014 at 10:20 AM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

Ohhh . . . the hipsters are having a kerfuffle. Nashville is way to pretentious for its own good.

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Posted by deegeejay on 04/18/2014 at 7:45 AM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

I think it's reasonable for Burke to feel defensive after reading Haruch's article. Haruch, in using Burke's restaurant as the example, puts Burke in the category of Nashville's whitewashing of culture to make it consumable by Nashville's white majority. I understand how Burke would feel attacked as both a Nashvillian and Two Ten Jack's proprietor. If you were to write an article about bullies and used my child as the opener of the article, I think I'd be defensive too. I feel that Haruch's response to this open letter is short sighted in not recognizing this point. Haruch had to have expected a response from Burke.

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Posted by Foodfan on 04/17/2014 at 9:36 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

Two Ten Jack is a great restaurant. They have their kinks to work out, as all new businesses do. Nashville is a beautiful, diverse city. Steve is a devoted supporter of this city, as it sounds like Two Ten Jack's owner is as well.

Personally, I think cultural appropriation has everything to do with the individuals. It is about individuals connecting to their own identity. Our identities are both biological and learned. Cultural is learned. So what if you identify with a culture that is not your born ethnicity? It doesn't discredit the "authentic"- it compliments it. I like to DJ. I love to DJ hip hop. I am a white girl. Am I doing a disservice to hip hop culture by participating? Or, let's consider gender- I think of transgendered individuals. Is it really so different in principle? If you feel something in your heart and mind, you feel it. I can only imagine this restauranteur, who put his whole life into Japanese cuisine, must feel it in his soul.

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Posted by Elise Tyler on 04/17/2014 at 5:28 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

This is a humble and admirable response. I just want to add my 2 cents that I didn't think Steve was dis-ing TTJ in the original article. It seemed more a comment on the socioeconomic (and subsequently ethnic) ramifications of Nashville's rapid development (particularly East Nashville). It seems a great many of these comments miss this greater discussion and seem more focused on whether or not a restaurant is "authentic."

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Posted by familiar sideman on 04/17/2014 at 4:05 PM

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Yeah, well, you probably could have noted "real street tacos" (if by that you mean Mexican food made by Mexican people) in your initial post. Rather than praising the contribution of immigrants to the cultural quilt, you praised the interpreters.

The restauranteurs' pride in their hard work and appropriation are two different issues. A great many have pointed this out yet some people are stuck on defending the restauranteurs from attack never made. Some may not "personally" "feel like" restaurants, for example, mocking a culture because they are used to receiving another culture in that way (and I'm assuming by mocking you mean copying and not making fun of). Just because *you* don't feel it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

There will always be White rappers, you know, the person not of a culture coming to perform a cultural signifier. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, and so goes White chefs making Mexican food or whatever. Saying that's okay doesn't preclude other associated concerns.

I think some White folks coming to this issue might feel that someone's screaming RACIST! when this is not at all what's happened. Now let's go see what Steve has to say about this.

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Posted by Mark Mays on 04/17/2014 at 3:30 PM
Posted by Steve H. on 04/17/2014 at 3:09 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

@mark mays

really? I'm sorry that's what you took from my comment. I'm a new resident to nashville. what makes me love this town is that I can go grab real street tacos, eat a banh mi at an asian market or grab ethiopian food in south nashville.

i also know how hard the chef and kitchen staff work and how much they care about the food they present to the customers and i personally don't feel like this restaurant is in any way mocking or commercializing the japanese culture. i think the owners and chef's are taking something they love and making it accessible to the public.

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Posted by Cassie Rae on 04/17/2014 at 2:30 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

Tony, it was to be expected; massive derailing. Steve appeared to attack what really matters, the owner's bottom line, so that's what he's here to defend. He's basically interested in proving how hard he's worked to make the place "authentic" because as Mr Liu says, if there's no branding (costuming) there's just a noodle shop. (There's nothing wrong with "just a noodle shop," either, especially if the food is good).

But he has some balls, speaking for "the Japanese" as much as he does. That would get me kicked out of my house.

@cassie rae
"if you want to put everyone in a race box then you might as well be saying that civil rights is bullshit. "

Wha? No one is doing that.

You know who else is moving Nashville forward? All the immigrants who've taken over Nolensville Rd opening up shops, making an effort for their fellow ex-pats but encouraging the rest of us to come get some. Your version of Nashville moving forward is the MISSISSIPPI BURNING version of Freedom Summer.

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Posted by Mark Mays on 04/17/2014 at 1:17 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

Wait, is the complaint that Two Ten Jack has "culturally appropriated" a food that it's somehow not entitled to?

That it's stolen another ethnicity's culture like the Rosetta Stone at the British Museum?

Or is it that in the artifice involved in trying to bring some measure of "authenticity" to the cuisine it has somehow veered over the line from homage to mockery, and that its attempts to capture a particular atmosphere are a version of blackface?

Or is it that you've got to recognize the suffering of the people who's cuisine you're appropriating, and we should recognize and feel guilty when we eat at Hattie B's, Martin's, Noshville, and Mas Tacos; and much more so at Two Ten Jack and Otaku South?

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Posted by fancycwabs on 04/17/2014 at 1:13 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

They do not quote accurate wait times, we were told 15-20 minutes and waited over 45.

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Posted by Kensuke Nakamura on 04/17/2014 at 1:13 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

he says it right here
"Gary taught me that food itself doesn't have an ethnicity — people do. Thankfully the love and painstaking effort that flow from human hands to create it aren't bound by ethnicity either. I am dead certain that the effort flowing from our team's hands (white, black, Hispanic, Asian and otherwise) is authentically borne out of a love for this cuisine. Insisting that someone be of a certain ethnicity to prepare your "authentic" food is, in fact, a prejudiced viewpoint, in my opinion."

what should matter is the passion and care that we put into what we do. if the chef was any other than a white american, would the article even bothered to mentioned her ethnicity? same with the owner, patrick. these people have put themselves out into the community to offer a different and wonderful culinary experience for nashville. it's people like this that have helped this city move forward the lengths that is has.

if you want to put everyone in a race box then you might as well be saying that civil rights is bullshit. america is a melting pot of culture and race and it's a wonderful thing.

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Posted by Cassie Rae on 04/17/2014 at 12:07 PM

Re: “Two Ten Jack owner Patrick Burke responds to Scene piece on cultural appropriation

Mr. Burke contradicts himself. Ethnicity clearly matters. Ethnic branding is precisely what gives Two Ten Jack its commercial appeal. Without ethnicity, there is no restaurant.

Food also possesses ethnicity, especially in Asian culture. Like communion on Good Friday, we are what we eat.

Authenticity of course does not require participation from particular identities. And shifting paradigms adds spice to life.

But let us make no mistake about the greater concern Mr. Haruch raised - that Nashville operates primarily as a playground for a white populace - who for the most part have little interest in other cultures unless they can be absorbed and repackaged for easier consumption.

When will Nashville widely embrace and honor people of color who aren't celebrities or sports stars, who might fall outside the black-and-white binary, who are shaping culture in less visible ways, and who also want to thrive in Nowville? I look forward to the day.

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Posted by Gerald Liu on 04/17/2014 at 11:44 AM

Re: “White privilege, ethnic kabuki and old problems with the New Nashville

Those disparaging the author thinking he doesn't want white people to cook and serve non-white people food are missing the point and it's not even something he is saying. I think most people realize and admit racism still exists in this world. What Steve is reminding us is that racism isn't just some outside thing that exists in the world but is present and pervasive in our lives and our community. Every white person is privileged in this manner, whether or not they are overtly racist. This isn't something you have to feel defensive about which is the reaction many here are having, but it is a good thing to know and be aware of.

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Posted by Michelle on 04/17/2014 at 11:02 AM

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