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Comment Archives: stories: News: City Limits

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

"Everybody's a data expert when things get uncomfortable. In my humble opinion, the civil servants at Metro Social Services are without a doubt presenting the best sets of data available to them, interpreted using what they deemed the most appropriate techniques. Let's talk about the issues, not the decimal points."
Maybe the most naive statement uttered in the past year.

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Posted by davidlongfellow on 05/01/2015 at 9:28 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Everybody's a data expert when things get uncomfortable. In my humble opinion, the civil servants at Metro Social Services are without a doubt presenting the best sets of data available to them, interpreted using what they deemed the most appropriate techniques. Let's talk about the issues, not the decimal points.

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Posted by Colin Andrew Pigott on 05/01/2015 at 7:33 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Looks like these year correspond to diminished incentive to work. Longer unemployment benefits without the requirement to look for work. Herding people into food stamps and disability. It's the logical outcome.

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Posted by Yost on 05/01/2015 at 4:42 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Yes, I am very familiar with the ACS, but if the data doesn't lend itself to accurate comparisons, don't use it to make comparisons. Or, at the very least, acknowledge the problems with using it for those comparisons. MSS may very well have done that, but it is not apparent from the Scene's coverage.

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Posted by Cliff Lippard on 05/01/2015 at 3:32 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Nashville is subject to the comparison methodologies as are other communities; requests for changes in such methodology should apply to communities.

Nashville should be more concerned about the poverty than the measures thereof.

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Posted by Bigbob on 05/01/2015 at 3:20 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Income levels will go down as more and more people retire. Adjusted gross income for a retired couple does not include all income. It also does not show that the retired couple may own a home, have substantial 401 or IRA retirement funds, savings accounts and have no debt.

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Posted by inglewood retiree on 05/01/2015 at 1:56 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

What is the impact of race on the report? Is the "boom" only hitting certain segments of our community? Are others being left behind?

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Posted by BP on 05/01/2015 at 12:55 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

From time to time, the U. S. Census Bureau changes when and how it reports data. The very helpful annual American Community Survey began about 10 years ago, so that county estimates have been available yearly since that time. The first 5-year summary with sub-county data was 2005-2009. These 5-year summaries are the only sub-county data to which we have access, other than the decennial census every 10 years. Metro Social Services does not intentionally choose some data sets over others, but instead uses what is available.

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Posted by Metro Social Services on 05/01/2015 at 11:45 AM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Even though the map contains samples throughout the five years along with ACS averages, the map itself is still an average of the data over a five year period. And if the 5 year summary is the best, why not use it for pre- recession data as well? There is a problem, don't get me wrong. I see the poverty and the emotional consequences while at work all day. But by using these sets of data the issue has gone from the increasing poverty, to whether or not the rates are being reported accurately.

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Posted by Question Asker on 05/01/2015 at 10:41 AM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Frank - the 2009-2013 map is an average of 5 years of data pulled from the American Community Survey. For example, it takes 2010 into consideration when poverty was as high as 20.2%. That's not an accurate representation of what it was in 2013. Within the CNE, Metro does cite the 2013 poverty rate from ACS data, pulling specifically from that single year (17.8%), but the MAP shows the 2009-2013 5-year ACS average which covered the heart of the recession.

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Posted by apicultrice on 05/01/2015 at 9:58 AM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

As explained in the report, the data periods differ because of how the U. S. Census reports sub-county data. Unless a 5-year summary is used, the only sub-county data would be in the decennial census (meaning that it would not be available until 2020). It is important to note that the U. S. Census Bureau indicates that the 5-year summary is considered to be among the most reliable data available. (The 5-year summary includes samples throughout the entire 5 years, NOT just an average of the 5 one-year American Community Surveys.) Thank you.

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Posted by Metro Social Services on 05/01/2015 at 9:54 AM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Anyone else notice the photo of Lil Bub on page 25?

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Posted by apicultrice on 05/01/2015 at 9:18 AM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

Cliff, if the 2009-2013 map is growth of poverty essentially it is a snapshot of 2013. No?

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Posted by Frank Stabile on 05/01/2015 at 8:15 AM

Re: “Linda Eskind Rebrovick is pushing tech solutions to the city's problems — but can't every other mayoral candidate do that too?

I totally understand the whole "government is different than business" mindset, because that's absolutely true. However, I don't discredit Linda as a candidate because businesspeople with her credentials and experience understand how to adapt to various working environments. No branch of government parallels to corporate America, but the government is still a business. A business of customer service and social responsibility. Her financial an technical knowledge could most definitely bring favorable attention to Nashville for being state-of-the-art and and pump amazing resources throughout the community for the citizens. Where will she get the funds? Tax hike? Well, probably..I mean..that's a likely possibility with all of the candidates. I believe, though, that she would perform due diligence and get a grip on all the waste and abused funding within Metro. Believe me, there are millions of dollars that could be better allocated. I love her confidence and go-getter attitude. I don't, however, like that she doesn't address some of the more "serious" issues in Nashville. Her focus is positive-thinking and implies that all the problems facing the city will be remedied by technological advances. There is some truth to this but I do think there are other, more fierce situations to be addressed. Do I think she'll win? Probably not, because her network is much different than the others', but I do still think she had great ideas and would be able to implement them if given the chance.

Posted by thinkingoutloud on 04/30/2015 at 7:17 PM

Re: “Kevin Rosier — retired MMA fighter and bodyguard

I had the pleasure of training Kevin for his fight against Houston Dorr at Mayhem in Mississippi. Kevin had a huge heart. More heart than most people I have ever met in my lifetime. It's a shame that I lost contact with him. I tried many times to locate him and now this. RIP brother, until we meet again. You will never be forgotten. PS if any of his family members would like to contact me, I have a few videos of Kevin and you are welcome to them. Feel free to email me at tom.badolato@gmail.com

Posted by Tom Badolato on 04/30/2015 at 6:32 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

The cost of renting has tremendously increased--also landords refuse to give long term leases so that they can raise rents frequently as possible. Let's ask the mayoral candidates about rent control.

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Posted by jkbreck on 04/30/2015 at 4:59 PM

Re: “How are this year's new Tennessee Democrats different from the ones they replaced?

Since the GOP has such an overwhelming majority in both state houses, Nashville might as well throw in the towel and support big time Republican donor Bill Freeman for mayor.

In the words of Jerry Maynard "if you can't beat 'em, take their money".

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Posted by whaleofamayor on 04/30/2015 at 4:26 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

I'd be interested to know the impact of immigration and the last two years of alleged economic improvement. Seems like those two factors could make 2009-2013 data pretty stale.

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Posted by BV on 04/30/2015 at 2:32 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

^^^That's interesting, The Truth Teller, and not wholly a joke. I don't see it as a particular good thing or bad thing, just a thing. But, when neighborhoods don't want a vacant lot developed, plus an increased police presence, well, you've got to understand that some people might have different priorities than you.

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Posted by I am B00B Thruster on 04/30/2015 at 1:16 PM

Re: “With poverty stats as grim as those released this week, Nashville is nobody's boomtown

The way things are going, it won't be long before only wealthy people live in downtown and central Nashville while the poor and poverty-stricken are trapped in the suburbs. What a change from just a generation ago.

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Posted by The Truth Teller on 04/30/2015 at 12:44 PM

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