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Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

Dan Hayden said, "So I suppose this means no more fund raising drives by the fire department or police right? "

Nope, not if you read Glover's bill. It conveniently and explicitly only bans the sell of printed material. You can traipse through the traffic all you want otherwise.

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Posted by GetItTogether on 10/29/2015 at 2:25 PM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

Public Safety is:

42% of Contributor vendors securing housing after selling the paper for 3+ months.

Access to legal employment so you can make money to buy food.

Building community with your customers and neighbors to make each other's lives better.

21 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by Brett Flener on 10/29/2015 at 1:53 PM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

So I suppose this means no more fund raising drives by the fire department or police right? Cant have that unsafe boot or hat being stuck in my window by someone walking in and through traffic right? I am of course only worried about safety.

9 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Dan Hayden on 10/29/2015 at 1:22 PM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

I'm with you Ben
Gallatin Pk can be a killing zone for pedestrians, especially the stretch from Briley Parkway to OHB.
IIRC a man in his wheelchair was hit and killed in 2013, one of many pedestrian deaths.
Sidewalks would also help but this isn't downtown.....

7 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Kosh III on 10/29/2015 at 1:07 PM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

James: I know that one of the Contributor sellers who was killed by a vehicle on his way to his vending location was struck while crossing Gallatin Pike at Conference Drive, an intersection with no crosswalk (and with the closest crosswalk a quarter-mile away). This occurred in 2012. He had been selling the Contributor at Conference Drive for six months, and was a friendly man whose life had apparently stabilized in that time. I never once saw him interfere with traffic - he conducted his business quickly at the red light and was back on the sidewalk before a turn lane signal lit up.

Rather than categorizing him with some fictional category of Contributor vendors causing traffic issues while walking to their vending spots, as this "Clear the Corners" character does, it makes a lot more sense to look at the number of pedestrian fatalities along Gallatin Pike, of which this gentleman was yet another. And rather than figure out how to discourage the vending of the Contributor, it might make a lot more sense for Councilman Glover to identify roads like Gallatin Pike, where a large number of pedestrians are killed, and figure out how to create more crosswalks and pedestrian signals with proper timing.

Really tired of pretexts. If people don't like looking at smelly homeless people, they should say as much. But spare us the fake reasons why we need to deny homeless people the right to sell their newspaper in order to truly help them from being killed by traffic.

20 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Ben P on 10/29/2015 at 12:31 PM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

@Clear the corners. You said "I can think of three Contributor vendors who were hit/injured crossing streets after/before their shifts. Technically that's not a vendor/customer incident and so no statistics are kept."

So a person not on the job gets hit by a car (so you say) at a time when he's not doing that job. So let's abolish that job, 'cause if he/she didn't have to go to that job, there would be no (supposed) accident. Should we start keeping statistics on the jobs held by people that wreck their cars during rush hour? Maybe abolish their jobs? Because we know for a fact that those are real accidents; the TV traffic guys tell us that every morning. If they didn't have jobs to go to, all those darned rush hour traffic accidents would just go away.

Want to clarify that for me, Clear the corners?

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Posted by GetItTogether on 10/29/2015 at 12:30 PM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

I don't have an issue with vendors selling the paper. I do have a problem with all the other's simply begging. I thought Metro still had an ordinance against people begging stepping onto the streets?

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Posted by Karl Roller on 10/29/2015 at 11:37 AM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

One of the biggest issues with the proposed ordinance is the concept that "streets are for cars." Leaving aside cyclists, who obviously have an equal right to the street (are restrictions on cyclists next on Glover's "safety" crusade?), pedestrians have a legal right to walk on the shoulder of the road where no sidewalk is available, and of course to cross the road. This video gives a fun history of how carcentric thought has evolved in America to the detriment of pedestrians' rights: http://usa.streetsblog.org/2015/10/14/adam-ruins-everything-explains-the-origins-of-jaywalking/

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Posted by David K. on 10/29/2015 at 11:30 AM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

@Clear the corners. How would you know they were hit if not at the corners selling the papers? And what corners did these take place and when?

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Posted by James Grau on 10/29/2015 at 10:06 AM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

I can think of three Contributor vendors who were hit/injured crossing streets after/before their shifts. Technically that's not a vendor/customer incident and so no statistics are kept. And there are no statistics for how they otherwise impede traffic flow. This doesn't negate the fundraisers cluttering the corners. Can I start selling Trump ties on street corners? Or is that suddenly a 'public nuisance'?

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Posted by Clear the corners on 10/29/2015 at 9:52 AM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

There is no public safety issue. Someone with influence is pushing Glover. Probably the same yuppies complaining about the rescue mission being where it is. I mean, they already got the section where homeless persons with mental illnesses stayed closed down.
I've never seen any of them in the road when traffic is moving. They stay on the side of the road to begin with. Obviously they can only sell them when the cars are stopped and only then do they walk into the lanes. It's certainly not as potentially dangerous as the people collecting money for churches who DO walk around in the lanes regardless. Granted they wear the bright neon green vests, but still.

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Posted by James Grau on 10/29/2015 at 9:03 AM

Re: “If state officials want to overturn Nashville's charter rulings, MNPS board members wonder if they'd prefer to run the schools themselves

"The school is willing to open as part of the district, we know that," Pierce says. "The state has granted them the ability, and I think it would be in the best interest to have that oversight versus the state."

Isn't the main problem that the charters claim they are autonomous and therefore have no oversight? That's pretty much the underlying issue here.

I don't think theoretical oversight has any advantages for Metro.

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Posted by tracyhotd on 10/29/2015 at 7:41 AM

Re: “If fender benders with vendors aren't a problem, why does related legislation keep coming up?

Selling newspapers *is* a job. Sellers are independent businessmen just like any other -- they buy wholesale and sell retail. They're out there working rain or shine in a job that's a whole lot more physically taxing than the kind a lot of us have -- like Mr. Glover -- who spend our days in climate controlled comfort.

Thank you, MNPD, for clearing up a few facts.

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Posted by madison tn on 10/29/2015 at 6:54 AM

Re: “Declining numbers of school-bus drivers have Metro scrambling to retake the wheel

We can afford to pay Teachers for Arabic languages, but not enough to keep
bus drivers. Whose driving this train?

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Posted by NeverFear on 10/28/2015 at 5:11 PM

Re: “Declining numbers of school-bus drivers have Metro scrambling to retake the wheel

LOL at Douglas Jahner, who thinks neighborhood carpools are an option, particularly when kids are required to be in car seats until age 9 and taller than 4'9" (which may be up to age 12 for some kids). Just how is that supposed to happen? I'd spend half my day trying to install and uninstall car seats.

2 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Lesley Eats on 10/27/2015 at 5:23 PM

Re: “Declining numbers of school-bus drivers have Metro scrambling to retake the wheel

Transportation to school is not a luxury, but a necessity. More than 70% of Nashville's public school students live at the poverty level. Their parents do not necessarily have the resources to form car pools as do their middle-class counterparts. In order for parents to provide transportation, they must have a working automobile (many families depend upon public transportation), money for gas, a work schedule that gives them time to drive, care for younger children, good health, etc. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" approach is callous and impractical. Children are our future and we as a society must care for them. This includes getting them to school.

2 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Susan Norwood on 10/25/2015 at 10:55 AM

Re: “Declining numbers of school-bus drivers have Metro scrambling to retake the wheel

Transportation to school is a luxury, not an entitlement. The core purpose of public education is educating children, not public transportation. During this time of stress, rather than complain, why can't parents team up and form neighborhood car pools? Thats what parochial parents do. And don't start to whine that parochial parents are all wealth fat-cats. It's actually quite the opposite. Quit whining and take responsibility for having your kid in the first place and drive them to school.

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Posted by Douglas Jahner on 10/25/2015 at 8:29 AM

Re: “Declining numbers of school-bus drivers have Metro scrambling to retake the wheel

Not only is there a problem with bus drivers, but with substitutes and teachers too. In MNPS, everyone who deals directly with children is underpaid. Fred Carr says "the predicament is 'how to keep them loving their job, and part of that is helping them pay their bills.'" This applies to teachers too. We haven't had a meaningful raise in years, yet our responsibilities and paperwork grow. We don't have sufficient planning time because we have to be in meetings. Now, we are also losing our planning time because we are being asked to watch absent teachers' classrooms when they don't have a sub. In middle school, the practice is to split up classrooms which results in over-crowding and disruption. MNPS needs to pay bus drivers, substitutes and teachers a decent wage. We expect our pay to increase with experience. MNPS is beginning to find out that "you get what you pay for."

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Posted by Susan Norwood on 10/24/2015 at 7:41 PM

Re: “Declining numbers of school-bus drivers have Metro scrambling to retake the wheel

My kids took the bus through middle school. It was social time and I believe a great neighborhood/community building tool. They enjoyed chatting with their friends before and after the school day. Plus they liked the autonomy of not having a parent chaperone them every single place they went. A good bus driver is gold. They are underpaid, have a terrible schedule and get very little respect in the system. This needs to change. I doubt the folks in administration would last more than two days in that gig.

7 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by more cowbell on 10/23/2015 at 11:09 AM

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