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Comment Archives: stories: News: Pith in the Wind

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

"Tax that [miles driven] and you will have a good recipe to make those responsible for wear and tear on the roads pay for their upkeep. "

If you do that, the trucking industry, undoubtedly responsible for a great deal of the wear and tear of our roads, would have a conniption.

But I think it is a great idea. When only gasoline and diesel fueled vehicles, and nobody care about miles per gallon, the gas tax was a defacto usage tax. Now it's time to refine the idea, but use odometer readings rather than GPS.

There also might be some pushback from states, now that I think about it--as it stands, gas tax revenues stay in the state where the gas was purchased. If we were to switch to a miles-driven model, then the state where the vehicle is registered would keep all of that money.

Perhaps a sort of hybrid would be in order.

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Posted by AnglRdr on 12/15/2014 at 9:10 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

Who owns electric vehicles?

Let's just say, it's not the working class.

Electric cars: Fewer fees. Specialized lanes on highways. Free and better parking spaces.

Connect the dots.

#waronworkingclassdrivers

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Posted by Diatribean^ on 12/15/2014 at 9:06 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

It doesn't surprise me that our RINO governor is proposing this, but I refuse to believe that that quote came from Ramsey! I think that Betsy just made that quote up and attributed it to Ramsey! Shame on her for that! It's par for the course in the Lamestream Media! Ramsey knows all about the now legendary FINFICALOM Foundation study that showed that if you eliminated all taxes, Americans would prosper so much that the government would be inundated with revenue, so much revenue that even government bureaucrats wouldn't be able to waste it all! They called it Supply-Side on Steroids! This is what we should be doing, not trying to put real leaders like Ramsey in a corner by putting words in their mouths!

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Posted by Angry White Patriot! on 12/15/2014 at 8:59 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

Drivers of vehicles reliant entirely on diesel and gas will continue to pay their "road fees" in the form of fuel taxes.

Hybrid vehicles will pay a hybrid fee, they will pay the fuel taxes for the far reduced fuel they use and a tax on the odometer difference in thousands of miles at the time they re-register.

Alternative fuel vehicles (electric, hydrogen, propane, CNG, etc) with plates will pay the full tax on their odometer miles (in thousands).

Whiners will complain that their driving of an electric is saving the earth and not creating that much wear and tear. But the problem is they still take up lane space, require breakdown services, will occasionally still need a state trooper, and will probably need to go over a few bridges that rust and need paint (whether it is a truck or Prious driving over it).

Thank you for doing good for the environment, but now it is time to pay for the roads.

I will add if income is not enough even after all this, then it is time to recognize the expenses of all those "Share the Road" militants. Being on two wheels does not exempt them from the use of infrastructure build by everyone else. Bikes go over bridges, across culverts, require police, and signage. License bikes (at a far reduced rate) and everyone is on equal footing and can have a say in the roads. Their talking point that it is their taxes building roads (gas taxes don't pay anything) is flawed. It may apply partially to local streets, but the state and national highways are gas tax funded.

By the way, it is stupid to pay for public transit with gas funds. Public transit is around to reduce the use of the product being taxed. Find a revenue source that hits everyone in the region. General Fund it. Then everyone gets a say in the process and you end up with better transit options than the silly MCC and even dumber AMP. Transit will then be a good service instead of yet another downtown economic development quagmire.

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Posted by Moost on 12/15/2014 at 8:56 AM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

The guy broke the law and resisted arrest.

Explain the difference.

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Posted by madison tn on 12/15/2014 at 8:44 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

While we all put wear and tear on all roads, state, county and city ~ its the trucks who do the most damage. Just raise the gas tax or deal with our poorly funded budget. Like the cigarette tax, its going to decline in the future. Electric cars make up such a small part of total vehicles owned in TN, making them a part of the discussion is ridiculous. Carrying that logic forward, they should tax cars that get better mileage because they obviously aren't doing their share. Ramsey and company have said they can balance our state budget while cutting taxes. So step up and do it. Don't blame the citizens.

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Posted by more cowbell on 12/15/2014 at 8:43 AM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

@Madison: The cop was suspended but he should have been fired and maybe sued for assault.

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Posted by yoyo moi on 12/15/2014 at 8:32 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

Gregory,

I agree with you that mileage is the issue but there are real civil liberties issues with using GPS. That would mean that our every movement driving a car would be tracked by government.

Instead, how about a low tech solution? For example, require all vehicles to have their mileage checked when their registrations are updated and have that information passed onto the Department of Revenue. If we keep the gas tax in its current format {to ensure out of state vehicles pay their share}, any new mileage tax would not be all that expensive.

To be sure there would be details to work out but I think that is more viable than using GPS.

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Posted by Mark Rogers on 12/15/2014 at 8:30 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

Huh. The governor supports an environmentally responsible measure that provides a strong economic incentive to move toward more fuel efficient vehicles and here's the Scene, shouting how it's not fair.

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Posted by fancycwabs on 12/15/2014 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

"Texas cop tasers 76-year-old for expired tags"

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/te…

The cop didn't do anything wrong.
The guy was breaking the law, after all. He shouldn't have resisted arrest.
And any harm done to the perpetrator wouldn't have been the cop's fault -- it would have been the result of the perp's poor physical condition.

#thankyoucopsforkeepingussafe

(sarcasm, btw)

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Posted by madison tn on 12/15/2014 at 7:58 AM

Re: “If Electric Cars are to Blame, Why Do We Need a Gas Tax Hike?

The issue isn't the number of cars or what fuel they use - it's the miles driven. Tax that and you will have a good recipe to make those responsible for wear and tear on the roads pay for their upkeep. New car technology, like GPS, is making this approach technically feasible.

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Posted by Gregory D. Hanners on 12/15/2014 at 7:28 AM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

Perhaps I see selling "loosies" as a minor violation suitable for issuing a summons NOT attempting an arrest that resulted in a death! Amazed you are so in favor of a tax that you are unconcerned with a related death, to the point of condemning those whom are concerned.
Kinda ironic, eh?

What is wrong with you?

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Posted by Jim Collins on 12/15/2014 at 4:19 AM

Re: “ASD Wants Neely's Bend, Citing Parents and Challenge of English Language Learners

I was at the Neely's Bend meeting, and most of the parents who were present very hostile to the ASD. Plus I still don't know why MNPS would give another school to LEAD, when they just received a letter about not meeting academic expectations at LEAD Academy.

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Posted by Min on 12/14/2014 at 11:27 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

JC, you see no issue with selling loose cigarettes? You see no line from city hall and the tax collector to Garner's death?

What is wrong with you?

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Posted by john on 12/14/2014 at 9:25 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

If they inconvenienced you, they are NOT idiots. that was their point. Sorry you lack the ability to understand.

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Posted by Jim Collins on 12/14/2014 at 8:14 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

"Perhaps if the protestors nationwide knew of your objection, they would have stayed home and watched Peter Pan. But I doubt it!"

I would say there were a few more people in their homes watching the idiots on TV than there were out on the streets illegally blocking traffic with their protests supporting other criminals.

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Posted by yoyo moi on 12/14/2014 at 6:50 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

Ya can't rewrite reality yoyogastray. The GJ was in the least very unconventional in it's process and findings, most likely because of the manner in which the evidence was presented. Same as in Ferguson, it appears. Hence your total reliance on GJ findings is folly.
My opinion is simply my opinion. I can be wrong and occasionally am. However a great many in this nation agree with me. There was an injustice offered in this case. hence the protests that you deny have a right in existing. Because they inconvenience you. Perhaps if the protestors nationwide knew of your objection, they would have stayed home and watched Peter Pan. But I doubt it!

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Posted by Jim Collins on 12/14/2014 at 6:28 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

@Collins: "Nope, not true. The officer was complicit in his death. Murder in the 1st or 2nd, NO. Negligent homicide, definitely."

If only the grand jury had known of your opinion before they decided the cop was not at fault.

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Posted by yoyo moi on 12/14/2014 at 5:56 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

Nope, not true. The officer was complicit in his death. Murder in the 1st or 2nd, NO. Negligent homicide, definitely.

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Posted by Jim Collins on 12/14/2014 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Eric Garner Protest Stops Traffic, Onlookers From Broadway to Gulch

@Collins: "A carotid restraint as taught is more from the side of the neck, what the video showed was a choke hold. Denying such only renders you foolish. It lasted more than 15 seconds (really stupid to say such)"

Once more you write from ignorance. Put a stop watch on it and the arm around Garner's neck lasts 14 seconds. A person can't be choked to death in 14 seconds. Garner died of a heart attack on the way to the hospital because his physical condition was as poor as your reasoning ability - really poor. The cop didn't kill him.

@listening in: The protesters were breaking the law but also revealing themselves to be idiots. They should protest something thousands of times more likely to happen than death by cop, and that is death by other blacks.

@John: It's doubtful the link you provided will be much visited. Your debating opponents care not for what you say or display. That's why many times I'll print a pertinent paragraph from links I provide. I will do so now from the link you provided.

"An order to crack down on the illegal sale of 75-cent cigarettes in Staten Island came directly from Police Headquarters, setting off a chain of events that ended in Eric Garner’s death, the Daily News has learned."

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Posted by yoyo moi on 12/14/2014 at 5:39 PM

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