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Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

dude, you are one piece of work. it's called "restraint." learn it and earn it. the more you spew your ill-informed comments the dumber you look.

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Posted by Doyle on 07/09/2014 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

It's a weird argument that calls for employers to provide components - boner pills, birth control measures - brought about by sexual activity. It contradicts "My sex life is nobody's business." Maybe there's been a morph. It's now, "My sex life is nobody's business but somebody else should pay for the peripherals associated with it."

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Posted by yoyo moi on 07/09/2014 at 12:47 PM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

BTW, Betsy, thanks for that marvelous passage from Mark Twain. Remind me to re-read both Life on the Mississippi and Roughing It.

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Posted by bubbadog on 07/09/2014 at 12:24 PM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

Amen, Southern Beale. Not everybody can use all forms of birth control. That's a critical point the 5 bull Catholics in the Supreme Court majority failed to grasp, either because they can't understand the science, because they're not women, or because their papal teaching trumps scientific evidence.

You have to think the only reason they ruled for the Fourth Amendment in cellphone searches is that they all use cellphones and have at least a rudimentary understanding of how they work.

Scalia and Alito never took birth control, although their mothers should have.

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Posted by bubbadog on 07/09/2014 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

@Doyle: "
"So I would think racism is a very small problem in today's America accept for those whose existence or politics depend on it."
Let's parse that sentence: First of all I misused the word "accept." I should have used 'except," but nobody caught the error. "Racism is a very small problem EXCEPT for those whose existence ( income, social stance, validation of thought processes, etc - in other words, PEOPLE LIKE YOU) or politics (Obama) depend on it. I didn't say racism didn't exist, I said it was only a problem for people like you who actually need it so that you can save black America from evil white America. All of you Sharpton's bitches need racism, otherwise all you have left for a cause is global warming. Oops, that doesn't exist anymore, it's now "climate change." But from what? Here's a link to racism, but it's Obama's, not the schools:
http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/08/2253…

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Posted by yoyo moi on 07/09/2014 at 12:20 PM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

"Health insurance, like the 401(K), vacation time, sick leave, etc. is an EARNED benefit. It's part of your compensation. You work for it."

This is ultimately the problem. Putting aside for the moment that insurance is a risk-aversion model, the cost of which is the hedge against astronomical (unpredictable cost), which abstracts away the price feedback mechanism for quantifiable commodities (which ultimately is why our health industry is so broken in general, incidentally). The fact that employers are in the position of providing "health care" as an earned benefit is the *problem*, not a reality to be taken as a given.

The fact that Hobby Lobby is in the position at all of dictating what forms of healthcare it gives to their employees is the crux of the issue here. You can either fix that problem, or you can continue to expect government to step in and be the arbiter of how employers can and cannot compensate their employees and how that should/shouldn't be allowed to interfere with personal freedom of action and contract. If the latter is your preference, well ... good luck with that.

There's a great summary of how we wound up with a health care industry centered around "insurance" routed through employers here: http://eh.net/encyclopedia/health-insuranc… ..

highly recommended -- should be required reading for anyone wanting to argue about our healthcare industry from either a moral or economic standpoint

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Posted by Chris Wage on 07/09/2014 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

Marvelous piece. Thanks.

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Posted by JohntheRevelator on 07/09/2014 at 11:06 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

Your employer can't legally make you spend your pay in a certain way. Your health benefits should be the same. Full stop.

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Posted by mattintn on 07/09/2014 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

Since it is the original subject of this thread, are we all agreed that Brian wrote a very nice story?

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Posted by Pragmatist on 07/09/2014 at 10:57 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

The thing that pisses me off is the whole idea of "free birth control" which has been completely misconstrued by useful idiots like the one who posted on this thread. Health insurance, like the 401(K), vacation time, sick leave, etc. is an EARNED benefit. It's part of your compensation. You work for it. Just like the men who get free Viagra under Hobby Lobby's insurance plan work for their free boner pills. And people whose blood pressure pills are covered work for their medication. There's no reason why everyone else's medications should be covered but women's birth control shouldn't be. It's bias based on gender.

And it's true that Hobby Lobby doesn't have a problem with some birth control, but not everyone can use those forms of birth control, which is why the free hand of the market gloriously invented the other kinds in the first place. What's truly outrageous is that Hobby Lobby's objection to certain forms of birth control is not based on any medical science at all -- it's completely, 100% wrong. They believe these things cause abortion but every medical and scientific expert says THEY ARE WRONG. And SCOTUS's ruling said it doesn't matter if Hobby Lobby's objection is not factually-based, it's enough that they simply believe it to be true, whether it's actually true or not.

Got that? Even though we have medical experts and scientific fact saying NO, this does not constitute abortion, it's enough for Hobby Lobby's owners to THINK it does, facts be damned.

Now let that one sink in for a minute. Just stop and think how crazy that is. That opens the door to a whole bunch of wackadoodle.

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Posted by Southern Beale on 07/09/2014 at 10:43 AM

Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

try this one on for size, gastray:

"So I would think racism is a very small problem in today's America accept for those whose existence or politics depend on it."

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Posted by Doyle on 07/09/2014 at 10:26 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

Most polisci majors can cite the traditional Freedom/Equality/Order impossible triad -- simplistic idea (and a false dichotomy since it assumes the existence of modern nation-states as a given that have to negotiate this balance) that has spawned off generations of misguided political advocates, but it's a useful starting point for this discussion..

What I think you're confusing are the first two -- freedom and equality, e.g.:

"A lot of women, myself included, think that freedom, when we get it, will look like us getting treated like everyone else"

That's not really freedom -- what you're talking about is equality. "freedom to have equality" is a lexical abstraction that diverts focus away from what you're really talking about (it seems). Specifically, you're talking equality of treatment (by ... everyone?), which is a stiff mandate (read: impossible) for any organization or government to deliver on.

This gets into the oft-confused different notions of equality: equality of treatment (by everyone/anyone), equality of treatment under the law, and equality of outcome (everyone makes $Y of income and has $Z of wealth, for example).

It's very true that Americans have many competing ideas about the different notions of equality and freedom, and our political process is one in which they've split into two parties to try to decide who gets their hand on the tiller (and their hand in the till) long enough to skew the application of coercive force in the direction of their party's particular hodgepodge of equality/freedom notions.

If I had more time I could probably write everything above in actual coherent sentences.. :O

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Posted by Chris Wage on 07/09/2014 at 10:18 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

Freedom is being able to buy something if you want it, not the Federal Government mandating that an employer provide it for you (healthcare, insurance, tennis shoes, etc.).

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Posted by 44allin on 07/09/2014 at 10:13 AM

Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

Congratulations, yoyo. You've now managed to go too far for your head cheerleader.

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Posted by Pragmatist on 07/09/2014 at 10:12 AM

Re: “The Daily Links: The NSA, Lebron James, and Seinfeld

Jim - I had 33 years on the job before retiring down here. I listed a great reference for you above. Perhaps you are too busy, but you should take some time to read it. Here is another article as well: http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/. This is not limited to Chicago, read the New York papers to see how they manipulate the numbers as well. Plus, if memory serves me, you used to have Serpas as the Chief down here. Ask any Metro Cop who was around then about how he cooked the numbers to suit his ambitions. In many places, the higher in the command you go, the more political it becomes. Nobody here doubts that politicians manipulate figures in Washington, on the state level or at City Hall. Don't be surprised and naive to think it does not happen in police departments too. Lots of great men and woman dedicated to the job, but beholden to the powers above who work the numbers to meet the lies they tell the public.

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Posted by Sarge on 07/09/2014 at 9:46 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

" They don't want to have a penny of their money go for contraception because they feel it is almost equivalent to abortion."

..expect for the 16 forms of contraception they will provide right?

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Posted by Moost on 07/09/2014 at 9:27 AM

Re: “The Daily Links: Death, K-Pop, and Taylor Swift

Why did you guys post a link to a HuffPo article from August of 2013? Has anything changed about the story of the author's detention by UK border officials?

Posted by Gregory D. Hanners on 07/09/2014 at 9:16 AM

Re: “Freedom's Just Another Word For... Well, a Bunch of Stuff

OK, I agree with the major points of this piece, but I think there is some over reach in the article as well.

"In this version, true freedom is when you can tell people what to do and they have to listen to you, but no one can order you around."

Hobby Lobby wants special treatment because the people who run the company think their religious beliefs give them special rights. They don't want to have a penny of their money go for contraception because they feel it is almost equivalent to abortion. However I have not seen any evidence that they have told any of their employees that they can't use contraceptives. I don't see how this is telling someone else what to do and them having to listen to them. This is Hobby Lobby wanting special rights and not caring how it will effect others.

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Posted by kilted on 07/09/2014 at 8:52 AM

Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

Damn, yoyo....

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Posted by john on 07/09/2014 at 8:49 AM

Re: “Brian Haas, National Treasure

@Collins: "Denial of racism's existence ...." Evidently you're referring to something I posted. You took a comment I made, added your own little twist, and produced a lie. Nothing new there for you as it's become habit. So, child of anal intercourse, be so kind as to produce the exact comment where I denied the existence of racism.

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Posted by yoyo moi on 07/09/2014 at 8:42 AM

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