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Re: “Nashville Delegation Drops Ball On In-State Tuition For Undocumented Immigrants

"Easily confirmed with internet listings"

Well if it's on the internet, it must be true. You got us.

9 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by Casual Observer on 04/23/2015 at 11:11 AM

Re: “Did a shift in medication help cause Daniel Cantrell to kill his father?

this is awful. call me a loon but i've never seen psychotropic medication help anyone.

just pray for this family.

6 likes, 12 dislikes
Posted by sad on 04/23/2015 at 11:05 AM

Re: “Nashville Delegation Drops Ball On In-State Tuition For Undocumented Immigrants

How many illegal immigrants can we provide tax dollars to? All of Central America? When they have jobs many are paid in cash, they don't pay payroll taxes. Illegal aliens suck billions of dollars from our government through various programs. (Easily confirmed with internet listings.) How much has that horde of children that deluged our borders last year cost us? And their parents already in country? Only a dumbass can think this can go on forever without consequences. In fact, some are already evident: ESL in schools being one, the number of illegals being arrested for criminal activity another.

4 likes, 7 dislikes
Posted by yoyo moi on 04/23/2015 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Did a shift in medication help cause Daniel Cantrell to kill his father?

I visit Dan every couple months. He is the one who helps me sign in and takes me into our own room to talk. I may start asking him to teach me coding to keep his mind alert. He is, and has been, my best friend since middle school.

31 likes, 0 dislikes
Posted by Stephen Furr II on 04/23/2015 at 10:54 AM

Re: “Moving the State Legislature to Cordell Hull

I think there is plenty of blame to spread around for the St. Louis debacle. It's notable that you mention only FDR, Hull, and unnamed "Southern Democrats." The context of accepting the passengers from the St. Louis was in the environment of the Neutrality Acts, passed between 1935 and 1939 sponsored by isolationist Republicans and passed with overwhelming Republican support with some Democrats (largely Southern) making up enough votes to pass the bills.

Your distinction between "refugees" and "immigrants" DID NOT EXIST in the 1924 Immigration Law. You are the one being misleading, trying to apply contemporary categories to a law where those categories EXPLICITLY did not apply. I don't knot if you're simply ignorant, or if you're so eager to revise history that you're willing to smudge the details, but you're wrong.

Anecdotally, it would have been great if the refugee/immigrant distinction had existed, because my grandparents were able to leave Eastern Europe before 1924, while many of their relatives died under Stalin. As refugees, they may have been able to get away; as immigrants, they were prevented from coming to the United States after 1924. (Interestingly, Cordell Hull won the Nobel Peace Prize for being the architect of the United Nations, a body which actually has overseen the care and resettlement of refugees where no coordination existed before.)

As far as parallels go: yes, there is definitely an undertow of anti-immigration sentiment in the US that has gone back for generations. My own family was affected by this sentiment, as I said above - interestingly, when I explained to my father the history of the 1924 bill, the rhetoric around immigrants from "undesirable" parts of Europe, and the affect it had on my own family, his views on current immigration issues (he had been implacably opposed) swung around 180 degrees. And in that light, it's clear that FDR made one decision - to respect the law - which was the legally proper decision but was not the morally right decision. And similarly it seems clear that Obama views the moral imperative as stronger than any Constitutional separation of powers concerns that the GOP might have. These are appropriate historical parallels, and it's hypocritical to criticize the two exclusive positions.

I would be happy to name some right wingers who have criticized Obama over enforcement of immigration provisions, but space prevents me from detailing individuals. But here is the roll coll for the DACA defund vote: https://www.opencongress.org/vote/2014/h/4… (213 GOP votes against, sponsored by Rep. Steve King). Here is a list of 26 states with Republican governors who have sued over the Immigration Accountability Executive Action: http://www.latinpost.com/articles/49074/20… (Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas, who was State AG when the suit was filed, is in the lead on that one). Believe me, I could go on.

Finally, "fellow travelers"? If you're losing an argument, it's always impressive to red-bait the guy who's kicking your ass. Well done, sir.

17 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by Ben P on 04/23/2015 at 10:45 AM

Re: “Nashville Delegation Drops Ball On In-State Tuition For Undocumented Immigrants

hey fedup, you're an immigrant too and a big chunk of the usa used to be mexico.

6 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by astern on 04/23/2015 at 10:38 AM

Re: “Moving the State Legislature to Cordell Hull

"Perhaps the state legislature would be best served by relocating to Zanies, given their laughable efforts to govern. But then what else would you expect from a group of piss poor clowns!"

I'd like to see Jim Collins try his one trick pony predictable partisan shtick at Zanies, they'd cut his mike in 30 seconds.

4 likes, 10 dislikes
Posted by forgottolaugh on 04/23/2015 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Nashville comics set the world record for longest comedy show

The #BrokenRecordShow team was: Chad Riden, DJ Buckley, Mary Jay Berger and Ben Jones (of The East Room). Ben did SO much and without his support this could not have happened. Our staff of volunteers and many comics really stepped up to make this happen.. but we just can not understate how important Ben's contribution was.

Posted by ChadRiden on 04/23/2015 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Nashville Delegation Drops Ball On In-State Tuition For Undocumented Immigrants

fedup, how do you think we should remove 12 million people from the country?

8 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by AnglRdr on 04/23/2015 at 9:59 AM

Re: “#MayoralChatter: Freeman Releases Environmental Plan

...spoken by someone who hasn't read Megan Barry's Sustainability plan.

6 likes, 6 dislikes
Posted by AnglRdr on 04/23/2015 at 9:56 AM

Re: “Moving the State Legislature to Cordell Hull

A couple points, Ben P:

"I happen to think that some laws should be broken" - I agree. And turning back the clock 15 years, as you did, is not important to my point. Neither is your blame-shifting.

"to accept immigrants/undocumented immigrants" - this phrasing is incorrect and misleading. "Refugees" is an accurate term. If don't know that I've had a chance to remark about immigrants, much less refugees, in this forum. I do have a strong feeling that those willing to come here and assimilate, over time, should be welcomed. That goes double for those who are refugees.

I also think most people are capable of finding a distinction between such thoughts as "we need to rethink our border policy" and "we need to stop immigration." Maybe not.

"(politicians) in the 1930s were stuck enforcing it" - I don't find that convincing. History (as well as current events) has shown that laws are circumvented, changed, and just ignored.

Your desire to find parallels between MS St. Louis and how unnamed right wingers view President Obama's actions or non-actions is instructive. It shows you are a trained seal looking to score points with your fellow travelers, all the while blame-shifting something that happened 75 years ago.

4 likes, 15 dislikes
Posted by I am B00B Thruster on 04/23/2015 at 9:56 AM

Re: “Nashville Delegation Drops Ball On In-State Tuition For Undocumented Immigrants

All illegals need to go, period. There is a path for those who want the benefits of being an American citizen.

As far as the continual reference to the Indians, well I have indian in my immediate family (I guess myself included partially). Perhaps if the indians would have fought against the "white man" they could have held their land, who knows. But, what I take from history is that they didn't and we see the outcome for the indians. Now, while on a different scale and in different times, US citizens are in fact the indians amd if we don't stand for the rights of legitimate Americans and protect this land against illegals one day our children will be in similar circumstances as the indians, invaded and overtaken for the claim of benefits and resources.

3 likes, 12 dislikes
Posted by fedup on 04/23/2015 at 9:53 AM

Re: “Linda Eskind Rebrovick is pushing tech solutions to the city's problems — but can't every other mayoral candidate do that too?

Linda seems to have edged ahead of even Bill Freeman in most promised "stuff" in her administration. But lots of stuff costs lots of money and Linda hasn't ever discussed how to pay for any of it. So it's either that a property tax hike or no tech widgets and thingamabobbers. Linda should put that on a bumper sticker - "I'll raise your taxes, but everybody gets a gadget!"

13 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by #BrokerNashville on 04/23/2015 at 9:42 AM

Re: “Did a shift in medication help cause Daniel Cantrell to kill his father?

Very sad story... What a tragedy for the family involved.

9 likes, 0 dislikes
Posted by 615sarah on 04/23/2015 at 9:42 AM

Re: “Dogfish Head Brings Its Popular Beers Back to Nashville

Their Fish Finder hasn't updated for Nashville yet. Anyone know if DogFish is available for purchase around town yet?

Posted by Jerseypin on 04/23/2015 at 9:27 AM

Re: “A rock 'n' roll fairy tale of food and love on the edge of the city at The Chef and I

"it's such a luxury to feel unhurried at dinner" is the piece of civilization so underappreciated in the U.S.. The food and casual experience are a joy at The Chef and I. Thanks for finding treasures in unlikely places Nicki P.

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Posted by OMFUG on 04/23/2015 at 9:16 AM

Re: “#MayoralChatter: Freeman Releases Environmental Plan

By far the best candidate for the Environment!!

7 likes, 9 dislikes
Posted by Todd Snider on 04/23/2015 at 9:15 AM

Re: “Big Changes Coming as Nashville Farmers' Market Goes Producer-Only

Looks like a step in the right direction! Congratulations to whoever was bold enough to present this opportunity to our community. Now...the next BIG step, a section of local grown ORGANIC produce, herbs, oils. But until then, yes, I'll be coming to look at what you have. I haven't been back in a few years because all I could see was GMO produce grown from who knows where. Now, if some of the vendors could put up a sign "NON-GMO, local grown" (even if it's not organic) would be helpful. Thank you for thinking of me and my family's health.

0 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by SueAnn Keiko Pippin on 04/23/2015 at 9:06 AM

Re: “Moving the State Legislature to Cordell Hull

"While we are on the subject of Cordell Hull, let's take a moment to recognize Hull for his infamous role, while Secretary of State, and with the help of Southern Democrats, in convincing FDR to turn away the MS St. Louis, which had nearly 1,000 Jews on it. They got a return trip to Europe and, for many, the gas chamber."

I totally agree that the treatment of the passengers of the St. Louis was a disgrace. A quarter of the passengers were eventually killed by Nazis because political will to find a place for the refugees in Cuba, the US, or Canada did not exist.

What's interesting is that you assign the blame to FDR, Cordell Hull and "Southern Democrats." Let me point something out. The law of the land was the 1924 Johnson-Reed Act, which severely restricted immigration from Central, Southern, and Eastern Europe (as well as Asia and Africa). Rep. Albert Johnson and Sen. David Reed were Republicans, as was President Calvin Coolidge, who signed the act into law. The 68th Congress was overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans, and immigration restriction was one of the GOP's signature issues. The dissenters from the Immigration Act were all Democrats, led by Representative Emanuel Celler (who decades later would later work with Tennessean Estes Kefauver on anti-trust legislation).

Let me point out a historical parallel: had FDR accepted the St. Louis passengers as refugees, he would literally have been breaking the law of the land. I happen to think that some laws should be broken, but in this case, the decision wouldn't be a matter of interpretation of a law, it would be literally contravening a law. For using executive authority to focus deportation on one group of undocumented immigrants instead of another, President Obama is viewed by many on the right as a dangerous usurper of the Constitution, and he's not even breaking a law. To excoriate FDR for failing to break the law would require allowing Obama to use his authority to determine his own criteria to accept immigrants. From reading your comments, I'm certain that you would not be consistent on that point.

So to sum it up: Republicans passed an awful, racist immigration law in the 1920s. Democrats in the 1930s were stuck enforcing it. And now, a right wing commenter on PITW criticizes one Democratic President and his cabinet for enforcing an immigration law while the right wingers work themselves into a froth because another Democratic President doesn't interpret a different immigration law to their liking.

34 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by Ben P on 04/23/2015 at 9:01 AM

Re: “Did a shift in medication help cause Daniel Cantrell to kill his father?

I guess a fancy degree from Harvard does not mean much. Looks like a FAIL on management of the staff and FAIL on patient care for that Dr. Murphy. This is kinda scary. So sad for that family.

16 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Melinda Newman on 04/23/2015 at 9:00 AM

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